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STANDARD FORM NO. 64
Mr. Tolson
Mr. E. A. Tamm
Office Memorandum
UN
STATES GOVERNMENT
Glavin
Mr. Ladd
TO
Director, FBI - Attention, Assistant
DATE: August
8, 1947
Director D. M. LADD
Mr. Rosen
FROM
SAC, San Francisco
Mr. Tracy
46103
Mr. Egan
SUBJECT:
FLYING DISCS
Mr. Gurdea
men
Mr. Hurbo
Reference is made to my letter to the Bureau dated July 28, 1947
entitled as above forwarding 8. copy of a report furnished to me by Lieutenant
Colonel DONALD SPRINGER, A-2, Fourth Air Force, Hamilton Field, California, set-
ting forth the results of inquiries made by his office concerning the reported Gundy
sightings of flying discs.
As of further interest to the Bureau in this regard, there are
trans
mitted herewith photostatic copies of three letters dated August 4, 1947 and
entitled "Investigation of Flying Discs," furnished to me by Major WILLIAM R.
GRAHAM, Deputy AC of S, A-2, Army Air Forces, Hamilton Field, California, who is
acting in the absence of Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER, enclosing copies of reports
of additional reported sightings of flying discs by persons in Oregon and Arizona,
together with the results of their investigations in that regard.
It is noted that these investigations were conducted prior to the
time Bureau instructions were issued that our own Bureau would conduct inquiries
into the reported sightings of flying discs.
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Copies of these reports are being forwarded to the Portland and
Phoenix Offices for the completion of their files in connection with this subject.
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Phoenix (with enclosures - 3)
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SUBJECT: FLYING DISC REPORTED AT
HACKENSACK, NEW JERSEY
AUGUST 3, 1947 - MISCELLANEOUS
Reference is made to the teletype from the Newark Division
to the Bureau dated August 4, 1947 stating that a "Flying Disc" had
been reported to have been seen at Hackensack New Jersey on August 3
last by one CHARLES CASELLA, JR. and WILLIAM TRUEX.
CHARLES CASELLA, JR., 287 Euclid Avenue, Hackensack, upon
interview by Special Agent ARTHUR F. WILLIAMS of this Division, stated
that on August 3 he had been standing with WILLIAM TRUEX, a soldier
stationed at Fort Dix, observing a "ham" radio rig atop a two-story
house on Simons Avenue, Hackensack. It was approximately 7:45 p.m.,
and they were in this vicinity for the purpose of meeting TRUEX's
girlfriend, one JOYCE Mc FARLAND.
TRUEX commented to CASELLA that a child had apparently
lost its balloon. CASELLA looked and about a block or a half block
away noticed a round, black object moving from south to north and
east of the stop where he and TRUEX were standing. CASELIA noticed
that it was moving too fast to be an ordinary balloon, but he could
not discern whether it was globular in form or a disc. He said it
was about thirty to forty inches in diameter moving north in a hori-
zontal plane about two hundred yards above the top of the hill at
Summit Avenue and Simons Avenue. It proceeded at a steady rate,
emitted no rays, and was moving fast enough to require them to turn
their heads steadily in order to follow it. TRUEX's girlfriend came
out about fifteen seconds after they first sighted it. They pointed
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it out to her, and she said that it looked like a bird on the horizon
so small. It faded out of sight shortly thereafter. CASELLA said
that a line drawn along its apparent course of flight would go from
the vicinity of Bendix, New Jersey to a point west of Westwood, New
Jersey.
CASELLA also said that a man on the porch across the street
also noticed it and pointed it out to the women. CASELLA said that
this man seemed excited but did nothing about it.
CASELLA said that he was positive it was no optical illusion.
He was not facing into the sun and saw the object clearly. He also
said that he would have thought nothing of it except for the speed at
which it was traveling.
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Miss JOYCE Mc FARLAND, 476 Simons Avenue, upon interview
by Special Agent WILLIAMS, stated that the event in question occurred
at about 7:30 on the evening of Sunday, August 3. She said that she
was in the house when CASELLA or TRUEX called to her. She went out
immediately, and they pointed out the object in question. She saw
it just before it disappeared over the horizon, but she declared that
it was in view from that time for approximately one minute. She said
it was round and silver-blue in color and appeared to be revolving.
She said that she did not recall making any comment that it might have
been a bird and herself had no idea of what it could be. In view of
the distance from which she noticed it, she said that it could not
have been more than six inches in diameter but would have been much
larger if she had been near to it. Miss Mc FARLAND said that she had
never seen anything like it before.
She said that across the street the BOOTHS, mother and
daughter, were the only people sitting on the porch and she, herself,
did not notice anyone pointing toward the object in question. The
only other person around, to her knowledge, was GLORIA TRUEX, sister
of WILLIAM TRUEX, who remained in the house and did not see the object
at all.
Mrs. WINFIELD S. BOOTH, 459 Simons Avenue, stated that she
was on the porch on the evening in question with her mother but did
not notice any unusual object in the sky nor had any man been present
there to point out the object in question.
The following information was received from TRUEX through
interview by Special Agent T. HOWARD WALDRON:
Private WILLIAM A. TRUEX, RA 12282003, Company G, 2nd Bat-
talion, 47th Infantry Regiment, 9th Division, Fort Dix, New Jersey,
advised he was born April 12, 1930 at Jersey City, New Jersey and
completed eight and one half years of school. He enlisted in the
United States Army on May 29, 1947. His mother is Mrs. GRACE FIELDS
of 88 Wales Avenue, River Edge, Bergen County, New Jersey. TRUEX
stated that on Sunday, August 3, 1947, at 8:00 p.m., he was standing
outside the home of his girlfriend, Miss JOYCE Mc FARLAND, 478 Simons
Avenue, Hackensack, New Jersey, accompanied by CHARLES CASELLA of 287
Euclid Avenue, Hackensack, New Jersey, who is his sister's fiance.
He said that he and CASELLA were looking at the radio antenna on a
home near the 478 Simons Avenue address when they noticed an object
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August 13, 1947
about two to three feet in diameter moving rapidly about two hundred
yards off the ground. TRUEX said he thought at first it was a child's
balloon, but when he noticed there was no wind and the object had no
strings to it, he decided it was sometning else. He stated the object
was moving in a steady, straight path, going north, and he said there
was no exhaust or indication of any motive power for the object.
TRUEX said they observed the object for fifteen or twenty seconds. He
could not give a description of the object's color or the material it
was composed of but said it looked more like a large, flat child's cup
than anything else he could think of, as the object was oval on the
top and came to a point on the bottom side. TRUEX said that CASELLA
stated "Maybe it's a flying saucer". He said he had never seen any-
thing move through the air quite like this object, and he had no idea
where it came from.
TRUEX stated that neither he nor CASELLA had had anything to
drink, and there was sufficient light for them to observe the object
very clearly.
The "Flying Disc" was reported by CASELLA to Sergeant JAMES
PERONE of the Hackensack Police Department. Sergeant PERONE advised
the writer that his Department had taken no further action nor had
they received reports of the object in question from any other source.
It may be noted that no other Police Department in the vicinity has
brought to the attention of this Division any information regarding
this matter.
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Mr. Tolson
EDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Mr.
E. A. Tamm
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
COMMUNICATIONS SECTION
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Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
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Mr. Tracy
Mr. Egan
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FBI DETROIT
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Mr Mohr
Mr Pennington
DIRECTOR, FBI
URGENT
Mr Quinn Tamm
Mr.Nease
UNSUBS, RAYMOND EDWARD LAND, MRS. LAURA LANE, INFORMATNTS, FLYING
DISC, MISC. INFO RECEIVED FROM DOW CHEMICAL COMPANY, MIDLAND,
MICHIGAN, THAT ON JULY TEN LAST RAYMOND EDWARD LANE AN EMPLOYEE
UGHT
OF DOW AND SUBSIDIARY SINCE ABOUT NINETEEN TWENTY TWO, BROGUTH SOME
as
MATERIAL TO THEIR PHYSICS LABORATORY STATING THAT ABOUT FIVE FEETEEN
1-7
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PM JULY NINE LAST HE AND WIFE, LAURA LANE, WERE WALKING IN A FIELD
OWNED BY DOW AND ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET AWAY HEARD A PUFF NOISE, TURNED
AND SAW A BALL OF WHITE ABOUT THE SIZE OF A BUSHEL BAKET BURNING ABOUT
A FOOT OFF THE GROUND. THE FIRE DIED OUT IMMEDIATELY AND LANE LATER
SCOOPED UP A THREE INCH AREA OF FUSED SAND INTO A CAN AND TOOK THIS TO
upon
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THE PHYSICS LAB. BOTH COMPLAINANTS INTERVIEWED. RAYMOND TELLING SUB-
STANTIALLY SAME STORY BUT WIFE RELUCTANT TO TALK AND VERY INDEFINITE
ON WHAT HAPPENED. THERE ARE MAKRED DISCREPANCIES IN THEIR STORY.
DOW AUTHORITIES CONSIDERED STORY FANTASTIC BUT HAVE EXAMINED MATERIAL
AND STATE CONTENTS TO BE ORDINARY SAND, NOT RADIO ACTIVE , BUT GIVING
RECORDED
OFF AMMONIA GAS, A SMALL SILVER NUGGET ALMOT PURE EXCEPT FOR SAND
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AMMONIA ODOR, AND LITTLE DROPLETS OF SILVER MELTED 41947 IN SAND AND SOME
OTHER GRAYISH COLOR IN MATERIAL WHICH IS RADIO ACTIVE
LEVEL OF
RADIO ACTIVITY EXTREMELY LOW AND EMPLOYEE FORMERLY EMPLOYED BY GOVERN-
MET AT LOS ALAMOS PROJECT STATES FUSED SAND HAS SOME CHARACTERISIC
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OF LOS ALAMOS SAND BUT NOT BELIEVED TO BE THE SAME. RAYMOND
LAND KNOWN TO HAVE IN HIS POSSESSION SMALL QUANTITY OF LUMINOUS
PAINT, RADIO ACTIVE, TO BE AN AMATEUR PHOTOGRAPHER, TO HAVE LIMITED
KNOWLEDGE OF CHEMISTRY AND PHYSICS FROM EMPLOYMENT AT DOW. LAND
DESCRIBED AS VERY PECULIAR, SURELY, ANTAGONISTIC TO PLANT PROTECTION
OFFICERS, INTERESTED IN PHOTOGRAPHY AND ELECTRICITY. LANE IS WHITE,
BORN MAY SEVEN, NINETEEN NAUGHT TWO, AT FREESOIL, MICHIGAN, FIVE
FEET NINE AND ONE HALF, ONE HUNDRED FORTY FIVE POUNDS, DARK BROWN
HAIR, PARTLY BALD, SERVED US ARMY NINETEEN EIGHTEEN TO NINETEEN
TWENTY THREE, CONVICTED NINETEEN TWENTY FOUR MIDLAND COUNTY,
MICHIGAN, FOR BURGLARY, SERVING SIXTY DAY SENTENCE. NEITHER PARTY
ADMITS STORY IS A PRANK, BUT LANE HAS MENTIONED FLYING DISCS AND ROCKETS.
ON INTERVIEW LANE WAS RELUCTANT TO DISCUSS MATTER AND NEITHER HE NOR
HIS WIFE ARE ABLE TO LOCATE THE EXACT LOCATION WHERE MATERIAL WAS
FOUND. ARMY AIR FORCES INTELLIGENCE AT SELFRIDGE FIELD, MICHIGAN,
ИЦЕВИУГ
HAVE BEEN ADVISED. SUTEL IF BUREAU DESIRES MATERIAL FORWARDED TO FBI
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STANDARD FORM NO. 64
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UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
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DATE: August 8, 1947
Mr. Tolson
FROM : J. P. Coyne go
Mr. E.A. Tame
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Cofrey
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECTS;
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Raymond Edward Lane,
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mrs. Laura Lane - Informants;
Mr. Hendon
Mr. Pennington
Mr. Quinn Tamm
FLYING DISC
Tele, Room
Mr. Rease
MISCELLANEOUS
Miss
your
There is attached a memorandum setting forth the pertinent
information received by the Detroit Office from Raymond Edward Lane and
Mrs. Laura Lane relative to "flying discs."
RECOMMENDATION:
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the Liaison Section to the appropriate contact in the War Department.
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FLYING DISCS
Information was received from the Dow Chemical Company, Midland,
Michigan, that on July 10, 1947, one Raymond Edward Lane, an employee of
Dow Chemical Company since about 1922, brought some material to their
Physics laboratory. He stated that about 5:15 p.m., July 9, he and his
wife, Laura, were walking in a field when they heard a puff noise about
one hundred feet away. They turned and saw a ball of white about the size
of a bushel basket burning approximately a foot off of the ground. The fire
died out immediately and later Lane scooped up a three inch area of fused
sand into a can for examination at their laboratory.
Upon interview by FBI Agents, Raymond told substantially the same
story, but Mrs. Lane was reluctant to talk and very indefinite about what
happened. There were marked discrepancies in their stories.
Dow authorities considered the story fantastic but have examined
the material and state contents are: ordinary sand, not radio active, but
giving off ammonia gas; a small silver nugget almost pure except for sand
mixed in it, not radio active; melted or fused sand which gives off ammonia
odor and little droplets of silver melted in sand and some grayish color
material which is radio active. The level of radio activity in this material
is extremely low. An employee of Dow, formerly employed by the Government at
Los Alamos Project, stated the fused sand has some characteristics of Los Alamos
sand but he does not believe it is the same.
Raymond Lane is known to have in his possession a small quantity of
luminous paint, radio active, to be an amateur photographer and to have a
limited knowledge of chemistry and physics. He is described as very peculiar,
surly, antagonistic to plant protection officers and interested in photography
and electricity. Lane is white, was born May 7, 1902, at Freesoil, Michigan.
He is 5' 92", weighs 145 pounds, has dark brown hair, partly bald, served in
Michigan, in 1924, for which he served a sixty day sentence.
the U.S. Army from 1918 to 1923. He was arrested for burglary in Midland County,
Neither Raymond Lane nor his wife will admit their story is a prank.
However, neither are able to point out the exact location of this incident.
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The Army Airforce Intelligence at Selfridge Field, Michigan, has been
advised and the material has been turned over to them.
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CHICAGO HERALD AMERICAN TODAY REPORTED THAT LITTLE OF SIX THREE TWO
SEVEN HARPER AVENUE CHICAGO REPORTED SEEING A DISC THREE THIRTY AM
TODAY SAILING ABOVE LAKE MICHIGAN OFF JACKSON PARK BEACH. LITTLE
UNAVAILABLE FOR INTERVIEW TODAY. FATHER IN LAW JOSEPH REINER,
SIX THREE TWO SEVEN HARPER AVENUE, ADVISED LITTLE SIGHTED DISC OVER
A MONTH AGO AND SHE IS EIGHTEEN YEARS OF AGE. NO FURTHER INQUIRY
CONTEMPLATED.
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DATE: 7/21/47
Mr. Tolson
Mr. E. A. Tan
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Coffey
FROM : E. G. Fitch
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
SUBJECT: FLYING SAUCERS
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it. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Monr
Mr. Carson
Mr. Hendon
Colonel Carl Golbranson of the Intelligence Division of the War
Mr. Mumford
Mr. Jones
Department advised Special Agent S. W. Reynolds of the Liaison Section that
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Tele. Room
the War Department has received a telegram, dated New York, New York, July 5, Mr.
Nease
Miss Beahm
as follows:
Miss Gandy
"FOR FURTHER DETAILS CONCERNING FLYING DISKS SUGGEST IMMEDIATE
CONTACT OF MR. RICHARD F SHAVER LILY LAKE ILLINOIS WHO MAY HAVE
IMPORTANT INFORMATION CONCERNING THEIR ORIGIN.
Colonel Golbranson furnished Mr. Reynolds with a copy of the memorandum
entitled "Report on Flying Saucers, dated July 7, 1947, addressed to Commanding
General, 32d AAF Base Unit, Bolling Field, Washington, D, C., from John D. Schindler,
Jr., a copy of which is attached to this memorandum. The attached memorandum sets
forth information and statistics regarding two reportings of incidents of flying
disks. There is also attached hereto a map of the Illinois River area which was
furnished to Mr. Reynolds by Colonel Golbranson. Colonel Golbranson stated that
according to this map the incidents reported in the attached memorandum are in the
general vicinity of Lily Lake, which was given as the address of Mr. Richard F.
Shaver in the anonymous telegram received by the War Department.
Colonel Golbranson advised that in view of the fact that the observation
of the flying saucers was made on July 7th and the date of the unsigned telegram
is July 5th, together with the proximity of Lily Lake to the points where the
objects were observed, he desired the Bureau conduct some investigation of Shaver
to determine whether or not he has any information pertaining to the origin of the
flying saucers.
Mr. Reynolds advised Colonel Golbranson that his request would be made
known to you and the results of any investigation would be brought tó his attention.
RECOMMENDATION:
It is recommended that the field be directed to make inquiries regarding
Shaver and, if deemed advisable, interview him regarding any information that he
has relative to flying disks. The results of any investigation should be forwarded
to the Liaison Section for delivery to the Intelligence Division of the War Depart-
ment.
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The War Department has furnished this Bureau with the following
telegram dated July 5 at New York, New York:
"FOR FURTHER DETAILS CONCERNING FLYING DISKS SUGGEST
IMMEDIATE CONTACT OF MR. RICHARD F. SHAVER LILY LAKE
ILLINOIS WHO MAY HAVE IMPORTANT INFORMATION CONCERN-
ING THEIR ORIGIN."
The War Department has furnished a memorandum entitled "Report on
Flying Saucers", dated July 7, 1947, addressed to Commanding General, 32d AAF
Base Unit, Bolling Field, Washington, D. C., from John D. Schindler, Jr., two
copies of which are attached. The War Department has stated that the incidents
referred to in the attached memorandum are in the general vicinity of Lily Lake,
which was given as the address of Richard F. Shaver in the above telegram.
It is, therefore, desired that the Chicago Field Division conduct
appropriate inquiries regarding Shaver, and in the event such inquiries do
not reveal information indicating that he should not be interviewed, he
should be interrogated for any information he might have relative to flying
discs. It is desired that this matter be handled as soon as possible and
the Bureau promptly advised.
Enclosure
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STANDARD FORM NO. 64
Office Memoranaum
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
TO
:
FBI
DATE:
16 July 47
FROM :
WDGS, US BRANCH
SUBJECT: RICHARD F. SHAVER
eml
1. Attached hereto:
a. Copy of unsigned telegram received by HQ. AAF 9 July 1947, in which
it is indicated that Richard F Shaver Lilly Lake, Illinois may have in-
formation concerning the origin of the flying saucers".
b. Copy of a report on flying saucers which were observed by four
witnesses while in flight in two airplanes over southern Wisconsin.
c. Map with indications as to proximity of the locations where the
flying saucers were reported to have been seen in relation to Lily Lake, Ill.
that the time
2. In view of the fact/the observation of the flying saucers was made
corresponds closely with the date of the unsigned telegram, and considering
the proximity of Lily Lake to the points where the objects were observed,
it is requested that Mr ShaveRbe investigated to determine whether or not
3. EY:66
he has information pertaining to the origin of Flying Saucers.
99.
memo tooladd 7/21/47 SAVR
99.17
RECORDED
INDEXED
62-83894
130
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36 AUG 18 1947
20174
Received 9 July AFBIR:CO 47
NL PD
NEWYORK NY JUL 5
MAJOR PAUL GAYNOR
AAF HQTS WASHDC
FOR FURTHER DETAILS CONCERNING FLYING DISKS SUGGEST
IMMEDIATE CONTACT OF MR. RICHARD F SHAVER LILY LAKE
ILLINOIS WHO MAY HAVE IMPORTANT INFORMATION CONCERNING
THEIR ORIGIN
UNSIGNED
651P.
ENCLOSURE 62 -83894-58
7 July 1947
SUBJECT: Report on Flying Saucers.
TO:
Commanding General
32d AAP Base Unit
Bolling Field
Washington, D. C.
1. Following are statistics regarding reports by four
witnesses while in flight in two airplanes.
2. Weather CAVU. Visibility exceptionally good. Scat-
tered altocumulus 6000 feet.
3. First report:time 1145 hours CST. Alt. of observers
800 feet above the ground. Altitude of saucer 4000 febt MSL.
Observed.period - First sighted over Koshkonong, Wisconsin.
Flight was observed from town of Koshkonoug to Mikhorn, Wisconsin.
This flight covered twenty-five (25) miles in fifteen (15) seconds,
which is a speed of six thousand (6000) miles per hour.
4. Second report: Time 1430 hours CST. Altitude of observers
thirty-five hundred feet (3500) MSL. Altitude of saucer twenty-five
hundred feet (2500). Observation period. Observers at East Troy,
Wisconsin, flight observed from Magle, Wisconsin to Muskego, Wisconsin.
This flight covered twenty-two (22) miles in twenty (20 seconds, which
is a speed of three thousand nine hudred sixty (3960) miles per hour.
5. Flight maneuvers: First observation-saucer descended vertically
edgewise through altocumulus clouds, stopped at four thousand (4000)
feet and assumed horizontal position and proceeded in horisontal flight
from a horizontal position for fifteen (15) seconds covering twenty-
five (25) miles and again stopped and dissapeared. S econd observation:
Observed in horizontal flight in a horizontal attitude for a period of
twenty (20) seconds covering twenty-two (22) miles. By the time the
pilot had removed his camera from the glove compartment of his plane,
the saucer disappeared and again reappeared approximately ten (10) miles
farther along its course after six (6) seconds making its final dis-
appearance.
6. The first two observers were an instructor and a student, having
just taken off from Mlkhorn Airport. The second two observers, one
being Cap't. R. J. Southey, Wing Supply Officer and a passenger.
62-93894-58
ENCLOSURE John D. Schindler, Jr.
Maj. Air Corps, AAF-CAP L iaison Officer,
(308) ILLIN IS RIVER
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DRAINAGE FEATURES
RELIEF FEATURES
Scale of Series 1:1.000.000
LARGE RIVER STREAMS
CIVIL CHART SUPPLY
2350
9450
GLACIER
HACHURES
CONTOURS ELEVATION
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the United States for the distri of aeronautic charts list these agents, with the dates of latest
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WASH INTERMITTENT STREAMS
6700
be obtained from the Director, U. S. Coast and Geodetic Survey
SWAMP
SAND SAND DUNES
APPROXIMATE CONTOURS
Requests for charts may also be made to the Director, U. S. Coast and Geodetic Survey, Washington 25,
D.
or
to
dealers.
A discount of 33-1/3% from full published prices is allowed on aeronautical and auxiliary charts amounting
DRY LAKE
MUD OR TIDAL FLAT
SAND RIDGES
DEPRESSION CONTOURS
to $10 gross when made in one shipment to one address. Charts are not returnable
INTERMITTENT LAKE
DANGER CURVE
LAVA FLOW
BLUFF CLIFF OR ESCARPMENT
CHARTED ROCKS
MILITARY CHART SUPPLY
(Ref: AAF Reg 65 82, dated 26 Apr., 1944)
1.
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current
edition
of
the
AAF
"Catalog
Aeronautical
Charts
and
Related
Publications.'
Miscellane
and
charts
CULTURAL FEATURES
maps
not
appearing in the Catalog will be procured and furnished Chart Service through special order when sufficiently
identified
in
requisitions
as
to
name
or
number,
scale,
projection,
and
publisher
if
known.
LARGE CITY
2.
Requisitioning.
a. Outside Continental United States:
BOUNDARY STATE OR INTERNATIONAL
RAILROAD ISINGLE TRACK
CITY
(1) AAF activities are to submit requisitions to the supply facility designated by the Theater
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0
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20
20
40
60
Kilometers
be submitted appropriate Regional Store as shown on Aeronautical Chart Supply System geographic diagram in AAF
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RAIL ROAD OVERPASS
Aeronautical Chart Catalog. Except when emanating from an Air Force, Wing, or Command Headquarters, requisitions are
40
50
X
MINE OR QUARRY
1540
to bear the signature approval by indorsement the Base Station Operations Officer. Quantities of charts and maps
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FEET)
AILROAD UNDERBASS
0
10
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30
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BRIDGE
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TRAIL
RACE TRACK
BRIDGE
TUNNEL
(HIGHWAY)
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Mr. Tolson
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3. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
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COMMUNICATIONS SECTION
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DIRECTOR FBI
URGENT
FLYING DISCS, S. M. - X. RETEL PORTLAND TO DIRECTOR , SAN FRANCISCO,
mayne Miss
AND SEATTLE AUGUST FIVE LAST. INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS MCCORD FIELD,
WN., ADVISE THAT IN THEIR OPOXX OPINION AND FROM THEIR INVESTIGATION
THERE IS NO QUESTION OF THE CRASH OF THE B- TWENTYFIVE AT KELSO, WN.
APLXX APPROXIMATELY TWO FIFTY A. M. , AUGUST ONE LAST HAVING BEEN CAUSED
BY ANY SABOTAGE. THEY STATE THEIR INVESTIGATION INDICATES THE LEFT
ENGINE BURNED OUT AN EXHAUST STACK WHICH CAUSED THE WING TO BURN AND
BREAK OFF. THE LEFT WING AS IT BROKE OFF TORE OFF THE TAIL AND
THE PLANE CRASHED INTO THE GROUND KILLING CAPT. DAVIDSON AND LT. BROWN
INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS OF THE FOURTH AIR FORCE WHO WERE RETURNING FROM
MCCORD FIELD, WN., TO HAMILTON FIELD, CALIFFORNIA. THE CREW CHIEF AND
A HITCHHIKER PARACHUTED TO SAFETY FROM THE PLANE. ONLY FOUR MEMBERS
WERE ABOARD THE PLANE, DAVIDSON AND BROWN BEING PILOT AND co- PILOT
AND HAD NO CHANCE TO ESCAPE WHEN THE WING BROKE OFF. LT. COL. DONALD
L. SPRINGER, A- TWO AQURICEXXX OFFICER FOR THE FOURTH AIR FORCE
RECORDENDEXED
962-83894 59
HAMILTON FIELD, CALIFORNIA, ADVISED THAT CAPTAIN DAVIDSSON AND BROWN
AUG
WERE SENT FROM HAMILTON FIELD TO INTERVIEW HAROLD A ADAHL AND FRED
CRISMAN AT TACOMA, WN., REGARDING THEIR REPORT OF SEEDING SOME FLYING
DISCS OVER MAURY ISLAND, WN., AND THAT THEY OBTAINED SOME OF THE DISC
55
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1947
212
COPIES DESTROYED
TACOMA, WAHINGTON.
270 NOV 18 1964
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CAPTAIN DAVIDSON AND LT. BROWN ON THURSDAY, JULY THRKX THIRTYFIRST
LAST INTERVIEWED DAHL, CRISMAN, KENNETHYARNOLD, FROM BOISE, IDAHO,
WHO WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THAT REPORTED SEENING FLYING DISCS AND EMIL
H. SMITH, UNITED AIRLINES POLOT FROM SEATTEL, WN., WHO ALSO REPORTED
SEEING FLYING DISCS. THIS INTERVIEW TOOK PLACE AT THE FINTRXX WINTHROP
HOTEL ON THE AFTERNOON OF JULY THRIXXX THIRTYFIRST LAST. CAPTAIN
DAVIDSON AND LT. BROWN WERE RETURNING TO HAMILTON FIELD FOR AIRFORCE
DAY AND HAD WITH THEM SOME OF THE DISC FRAGMENTS AS REPORTED BY DAHL
AND CRISMAN.
REPORTER PAUL LANTZ OF TACOMA TIMES, AND UNITED PRESS
WIREMAN TED MORELLO OF TACOMA, RECEIVED ANONYMOUS PHONE CALLS JULY
THIRTYFIRST AND AUGUST FIRST LAST REGARDING THE MEETING AT THE WINTHROP
HOTEL OMER THE DISCS FRAGMENTS AND THAT THE B- TWENTYFIVE WHICH
CRASHED THE MORNING OF AGKX AUGUST ONE WAS SABOTAGED OR SHOT DOWN.
INFORMATION AS YET NOT VERIFIED INDICATED THE ENTIRE STORY STARTED BY
DAHL AND CRISMAN POSSIBLY TO PROMOTE SALE OF SLAG FOUND IN A GRAVEL
PIT ON MAURY ISLAND, WN. NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE AS YET AS TO THE
IDENTITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO MADE THE ANONYMOUS PHONE CALL TO THE
TACOMA TIMES AND THE UNITED PRESS, DAHL AND CRISMAN WILL BE INTER-
VIEWED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. INVESTIGATION CONTINUING.
WILCOX
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August 14, 1947
TO: COMMUNICATIONS SECTION.
SAC, Seattle
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Transmit the following message to:
REURTEL AUGUST TWELVE. IT IS NOTED FROM INTERROGATION OF EMIL SMITH,
Hanold A.
SMITH CLAIMS THAT DURING THE CONFERENCE ON JULY THIRTY ONE THAT DAHL
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AND CHRISMAN APPARENTLY REPEATED THEIR FALSE STORY ABOUT THE MATERIAL
BEING FRAGMENTS OF A FLYING DISC AND ONLY ON SATURDAY NIGHT AUGUST
SECOND DID DAHL ADMIT THAT THE STORY WAS A HOAX. IF SUCH IS THE CASE
IT WOULD APPEAR EITHER SMITH OR-ARNOLD MADE THE ANONYMOUS PHONE CALLS
SINCE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION AT THAT TIME THAT THE
MATERIAL FURNISHED TO CAPTAIN DAVIDSON AND LIEUTENANT BROWN WAS ACTUALLY
PARTS OF A FLYING DISC. IT WOULD ALSO APPEAR THAT DAHL AND CHRISMAN
DID NOT ADMIT THE HOAX TO THE ARMY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS BECAUSE IF THEY
HAD DONE so THE OFFICERS PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THE ALLEGED FRAGMENTS
WITH THEM ON THEIR FATAL FLIGHT. THIS MATTER SHOULD BE CLEARED UP UPON
REINTERVIEW WITH DAHL AND CHRISMAN. WHEN THIS POINT CLARIFIED NO FURTHER
INVESTIGATION necessary.
HOOVER
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rockets in which the young
students are sending mail or
messages from California to
arizona would have any
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FLYING FLYING/SAUCERS SAUCERS
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This will acknowledge receipt of your letter dated
July 9, 1947.
After a careful review of the contents of this letter
it was ascertained that the information contained therein would
probably be of interest to the War Department, therefore, I have
taken the liberty of furnishing this information to that agency.
Your interest in writing as you did is indeed appreciated.
Sincerely yours,
CA6
Mr. Tolson
Mr. E. A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
COMMUNICATIONS SECTION
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Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
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origin unknown. I kept listening,
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July 21, 1947
ECORDED
Mrs. 62-83894-61X A. C. Sarbanis
X-67
66 Notro Dame Avenue
Hicksville, Long Island, New York
Dear Mrs. Sarbanis:
I wish to acknowledge receipt of your letter and enclosure dated
July 10, 1947.
I have instructed the Special Agent in Charge of our New York Office
to have a Special Agent call upon you for the purpose of obtaining further
information in connection with this matter.
Your interest in calling this information to my attention is indeed
appreciated.
Sincerely yours,
John Edgar Hoover
Director
cc - New York (With incoming. There is no identifiable information in the
files of the Bureau concerning the writer of this letter. The
decoding of the message on the newspaper clipping was referred
to the Laboratory, who subsequently advised that the writer's
decoding was substantially correct. There is being set forth
below the results of the Laboratory's decoding:
"TIRED OF HUMAN NONSENSE WONT AWAIT ATOMIC
WAR DISRUPTING ORDER SOLAR SYSTEM so SENT
FLYING DISKS AND WILL SET UP WORLD ORDER
UNDER MARTIANS LATE THIS YEARS.
The New York Office should interview the writer of this letter
to ascertain from what newspaper the clipping in question was
obtained. Thereafter, contact should be made with this newspaper
to ascertain the identity of the personowho sent in the coded
Mr. Tolson
message. This individual must be thoroughly interrogated to obtain
Mr. E. A. Tame
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Mr. Clegg
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Mr. Nichols
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Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
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Mr. Harbo
The Director advised on August 14, 1947, that
Mr. Mohr
Mr. Pennington
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Mr. Quinn Tarm
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that Soviet espionage agents had been instructed to
Mr. Nease
Miss Holmes
determine the facts relative to the flying discs. The
Miss Gandy
article carried a Washington date line and indicated
that Red espionage agents had been ordered to solve the
question of the flying discs, the Russians being of the
opinion that this might be some new form of defense prefected
by the American Military. The article further recalled that
during the recent war pieces of tin foil had been dropped
in the air for the purpose of off setting the value of radar
being used by the enemy forces and that these aluminum discs
might be a new development along this line. The Director
inquired as to whether the Bureau had any such information.
I informed him that I had never heard of any
information indicating that Soviet espionage agents had been
instructed to obtain such information.
A check with the officials at G-2, ONI and at the
Air Corps Intelligence was made and it was found that they
had no information relative to such a story.
In accordance with the Director's instructions, I
advised Mr. Nichols that in the event any inquiries were
made concerning such a story, that the story should be
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DATE: August 18, 1947
Mr. Tolson
FROM :
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Mr. E. A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichcls
SUBJECT:
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
Reference is made to your telephonic conversation with the
Mr. Mohr
Mr. Pennington
Director on Wednesday of last week, at which time the Director advised
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Tele. Room
that Los Angeles papers carried under a Washington date line an article
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instruction to solve the flying discs. Such instructions were believed
to be based on the assumption that the flying discs were a secret weapon
of the Army or Navy. The article attributed the source of its information
to a Federal investigative agency.
Pursuant to your instructions, liaison representatives have contacted
the Headquarters of Military Intelligence, the Headquarters of the Air Forces
Intelligence, Office of Naval Intelligence and CIG. All agencies denied any
knowledge of the flying discs, as well as any knowledge of the basis for this
article.
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DATE: August 14, 1947
Mr. Tolson
Mr. E.A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
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Mr. Glavin
Ladd
Mr. Nichols
SUBJECT:
FLYING DISCS
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
mend
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
There are attached two copies of a blind memorandum setting
Mr. Hendon
Mr. Pennington
forth the facts relative to the reported air crash of two AAF officers
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Tele. Room
Mr. Nease
investigating flying disc complaints.
Miss Beahm
Miss Gandy
RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended that a copy of this memorandum be furnished
by the Liaison Section to the Air Force Intelligence.
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UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
TO
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BUREAU
DATE: 8-23-47
FROM
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SUBJECT:
FLYING DISCS
SECURITY MATTER - X
The following investigation was conducted at Canyonville and
Myrtle Creek, Oregon on August 12, 1947.
RAY VIRGIL NATFIELD, Route 1, Box 195, Roseburg, Oregon, operator
of the Tri City Airport, Myrtle Creek, Oregon, advised that on 8-6-47 at
approximately 6:15 PM while instructing a student in a take off at the airport,
he noticed an object east of Myrtle Creek which appeared to be from 5,000 to
8,000 feet in the air. The sky was completely clear and visibility was
excellent. He stated that the object glistened and appeared to be of aluminium
sheeting. Upon noticing it he had immediately taken over the controls of the
plane which at that time was at 400 feet, and proceeded East in an attempt to
further observe the object. He advised that the object appeared to be
climbing and traveling East at a high rate of speed which he estimated on a
computer in his plane as 1,000 miles per hour. He believed the object to be
spherical in shape and recalled noticing a darker object to the right the first
time he saw it. He observed no vapor trails nor did he hear any noise from the
object. After searching the area for approximately 10 minutes HATFIELD and
his student NOBLE ELLISON returned to the airport and made another landing and
take off. In practically the same position at 400 feet altitude, both ELLISON
and HATFIELD saw the object in approximately the same position as seen before.
He estimated the sphere to be 30 feet in diameter and stated when they first
observed it it appeared to be so near he could fly right to it. However, the
object sighted the second time disappeared in the same manner as the first had.
It is noted that HATFIELD served as a Lieutenant JG in the U. S. Naval
Air Corps for about 3½ years, flying constantly on the Atlantic submarine patrol.
He is a reputable citizen in Douglas County and is reported to be a qualified
pilot.
Mr. NOBLE ELLISON, Myrtle Creek, Oregon, verified the above information
as furnished by HATFIELD, stating that the first object sighted had been
called to his attention when HATFIELD took over the controls of the plane at
about 400 feet following his take off, but that they had both sighted the
object on the second take off at the same time. ELLISON described the object
as a "silver ball or balloon" which he believed to be 8 miles east of Myrtle
Creek, traveling East, and climbing very fast until it disappeared in approximately
45 seconds. ELLISON estimated the sphere as being 50 feet in diameter and
stated in his opinion the second object appeared to climb straight up.
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vapot or trails, etc. and could hear no noise over the noise of his
own ship.
Investigation in the vicinity of Myrtle Creek, Oregon, has
failed to reveal any other person sighting the objects reported by
HATFIELD and ELLISON. No further investigation is being conducted.
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FLYING DISCS. BETWEEN NINE THIRTY AND NINE FORTY FIVE PM LAST NIGHT,
AUGUST NIMETEENTH, MR. AND MRS. H. H HEDSTROM, THIRD AVENUE NORTH,
TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, WHILE SITTING ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH MRS. HENRY
SCHULTZ, OBSERVED AN OBJECT RESEMBLING A FLYING SAUCER TRAVELING VERY
RAPIDLY FROM THE SOUTHWEST TO THE NORTHEAST SECTION OF THIS CITY. ABOUT
TEN MINUTES LATER, ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUALS SAW TEN SIMILAR OBJECTS
PROCEEDING RAPIDLY IN THE SAME DIRECTION IN THE FORM OF A TRIANGLE.
AS THIS GROUP OF OBJECTS WAS ABOUT TO DISAPPEAR IN THE OVERCAST SKY,
THREE OF THE OBJECTS ON THE LEFT FLANK PEELED OFF AND PROCEEDED IN A
NORTHERLY DIRECTION. THE REMAINING OBJECTS IN THE TRIANGULAR FORMATION
APPEARED TO CLOSE RANKS AND CONTINUE IN A NORTHEASTERLY DIRECTION.
THREE TO FIVE MINUTES LATER THESE INDIVIDUALS SAW ANOTHER GRUPKK GROUP
RECORDED
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MINUTES LATER A LARGE GROUP OF OBJECTS ESTIMATED AT BETWEEN THIRTY FIVE
AND FIFTY FLEW OVER THE CITY IN A NORTHEASTERLY DIRECTION, AGAIN IN
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TRIANGULAR FORMATION. BETWEEN TWENTY AND TWENTY FIVE MINUTES AFTER
THE LAST GROUP WAS OBSERVED, SIMILAR OBJECTS WERE NOTED COMING BACK
OVER THE CITY VERY RAPIOLY AND PROCEEDING IN A SOUTHWESTERLY DIRECTION.
AT THIS TIME INFORMANTS STATED THE OBJECTS APPEARED IN GROUPS OF THREE,
FIVE AND SEVEN. AT THIS POINT MRS. HEDSTROM CALLED DETECTIVE RICHARD
FRAZIER OF THE TWIN FALLS PD, A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, WHO ACCOMPANIED BY
M. E. ROUNDTREE AND RICHARD SCOTT, ALSO MEMBERS OF THE TWIN FALLS PD,
PROCEEDED TO THE HEDSTROM HOME WHERE THEY OBSERVED A GROUP OF TWELVE
OBJECTS FLYING IN FORMATION OVER THE CITY IN A SOUTHWESTERLY DIRECTION.
INFORMANTS, ALL REPUTABLE CITIZENS THIS COMMUNITY, UNABLE TO ESTIMATE
HEIGHT OF OBJECTS OR SPEED, BUT CLAIMED THEY RESEMBLED ILLUMINATED
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FLYING SAUCERS. THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE OF THE OPINION THAT THE OBJECTS
OBSERVED WERE NOT THE LANDING LIGHTS OF AIRPLANES NOR SHOTING STARS.
NONE OF THESE OBJECTS WERE SEEN TO COME TO EARTH NEAR TWIN FALLS AND
NONE APPEARED TO BE FLYING IN AN ARC. NONE OF THESE OBSERVERS HEARD
ANY SOUND AS THE ABOVE OBJECTS PASSED OVER THE CITY. INVESTIGATION
CONTINUING IN LINE WITH BUREAU INSTRUCTIONS CONTAINED BUREAU BULLETIN
NO. FORTY TWO, PARAGRAPH B, DATED JULY THIRTY LAST. IN EVENT BUREAU
IN POSSESSION OF ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING EXPERIMENTAL ACTIVITIES ON
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ON OR ABOUT AUGUST NINETEEN. IN THE EVENT YOUR SOURCES IN THE ARMY, NAVY OR
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STANDARD FORM NO. 64
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UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
TO
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DATE: August 22, 1947 Tolson
Mr. E.A. Tam
Mr. Clegg
FROM :
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Mr. Coffey
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Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
FLYING DISCS
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Mohr
Mr. Carson
Reference is made the teletype from the Butte Field Division
Mr. Hendon
Mr. Mumford
dated August 20, 1947, in the above captioned matter.
Mr. Jones
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Tele. Room
In accordance with your request, this matter was checked with
Mr. Nease
Miss
Army Air Forces. Lieutenant Colonel George D. Garrett, Jr., advised
Miss
Special Agent F. P. Griffee that extensive inquiries with wthe Army Air
Forces revealed that no research or experiments were being conducted by
the AAF in the vicinity of Twin Falls, Idaho on or about August 19, 1947.
Colonel Garrett stated that he had no information which would throw any
light on the matter reported in the teletype.
ACTION
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Section to the attention of Supervisor Fletcher.
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Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
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SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS
SECURITY MATTER - X
DATE: September Kynolds 5, 1947
Reference is made to my teletype dated August 15, 1947 advising that
a Mr. JOHN BARTLETT of Agate Beach, Oregon had reported on August 7, 1947 that he
sighted what he believed to be a disc. Mr. JOHN BARTL, instead of BARTLETT, now
residing in Newport, Oregon was interviewed by Special Agent ROBERT J. PETTYJOHN.
Mr. BARTL stated that on August 7, 1947 he was residing at Agate Beach, Oregon and
that his house was very near the ocean beach; that at about 12:30 A. M. he was
awakened by his son coming in and that while awake he noticed a bright glow of
light across the sky out over the ocean. He stated that he immediately thought of
flying discs and thought this might be one of the discs.
Mr. BARTL went on to say that he had no idea as to the shape or size of
this object but that it appeared to be about five miles out over the ocean and
that he was able to see it for about 15 to 30 seconds. He further stated that
due to the darkness he could tell nothing about the speed of this object but thought
it was traveling a great deal faster than any airplane he had ever seen. He
informed that this glow of light was somewhat similar to "The Northern Light" which
sometimes appears in the sky but of course not nearly as large and that it appeared
to be going up and down, that is fluctuating in altitude as it traveled along. He
stated it disappeared in the west, either falling into the ocean or disappearing
over the horizon. He could give no other information concerning this object of
Myrtlewood shop in Newport.
light reported by him as possibly being a flying disc. Mr. BARTL has an Agate BY and
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Mrs. W. T. Williams
417 East Stevenson Street
Florence, Alabama
Dear Mrs. Williams:
89-X3
Your letter of August 18, 1947, has been
received, and I am most appreciative of the thought-
fulness which prompted you to communicate with me.
For your information, no reward has been offered by
any U. S. Government Agency for the Location of
"flying squcers." I regret that I am unable to be
of assistance in this instance.
Sincerely yours,
John Edgar Hoover
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STANDARD FORM NO. 64
Office Memorandum 196 UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
TO
Director, FBI
DATE: August 20, 1947
SUBJECT: & FLYING DISC
FROM : SAC, Springfield
Reference is made to Bureau Bulletin No. 42, Series 1947, dated
July 30, 1947 re the above.
For the Bureau's information a Mrs. JUNE ANDERSON of Saybrook,
Illinois reported to this office the finding of a flying disc
in her front yard at 6:00 A.M. on July 26, 1947.
It appears from investigation conducted by an Agent of this
office that the stability of JUNE ANDERSON is questionable. How-
ever the alleged flying disc was obtained and it is apparently
the concoction of some of the juveniles in the area. It is an
old wooden platter, which has assembled on it a silver plate, a
spark plug, a timer, and some old brass tubing. Photographs
were taken of the same and there are six views enclosed herewith.
No doubt this was someone's idea of a pránk.
The disc is presently being retained by the Springfield Office and
will be retained pending receipt of Bureau advice relative to its
destruction. The thought in retaining it was that perhaps the
Bureau might desire to have it transmitted to Washington for any
novel value it might have.
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that you contact the appropriate Army officials and in the event they are not
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RE FLYING DISCS. A MRS. RAYMOND XDUPUI, DUPUI, OSWEGO, OREGON, REPORTED TO HAVE
SEEN TWELVE TO FIFTEEN ROUND SILVER OBJECTS AT A HIGH ALTITUDE AT
TWELVE FIFTEEN PM, SEPT. THIRD, FORTYSEVEN, ABOVE OSWEGO, OREGON, WHILE
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UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
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DIRECTOR
DATE: 9-13-47
FROM : SAC, PORTLAND
SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS
SECURITY MATTER - X
Reference is made to my teletype dated 9-4-47, advising that
Mrs. RAYMOND DUPUIS, Oswego, Oregon, was reported to have seen a number
of discs on 9-3-47 above Oswego.
Mrs. DUPUIS was interviewed and described the object which she
has observed as follows:
While entertaining her 7 year old son and 10 year old neighbor
child on her lawn, at about noon, Mrs. DUPUIS and the children noticed
approximately two dozen round silver objects high in the sky. Mrs. DUPUIS
stated she believed these objects to have been platter shaped rather than
spherical and to have been considerably larger than an airplane of the cub
type which was flying in a different portion of the sky at the same time.
She advised that these objects appeared to her to be at a great distance
and constructed of some white metallic material.
Mrs. DUPUIS' attention was first drawn to the objects by an ex-
planation from one of the children to the effect that the airplane was sky-
writing. The objects were grouped in approximately an arc about level with
the sun and to the left of the sun as viewed by Mrs. DUPUIS. They did not
change positions during the 3 or 4 minutes which she observed them but some
of the larger of the objects appeared to rotate rapidly in the manner of a
wheel. One of the objects was separated by considerable distance from the
main group and while she was watching Mrs. DUPUIS states this object began
to fall and floated slowly downward until it was no longer visable because
of trees on the horizon.
Mrs. DUPUIS advised that she continued to observe the remaining
objects until her eyes began to be affected by the brightness of the sky
whereupon she went into her house and is unable to state what became of the
group.
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Mr. E. A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
SUBJECT:
FLYING DISCS
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Reference is made to my memorandum to you in the above captioned
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
matter dated August 22, 1947, which indicates that Special Agent Griffee
Mr. Mohr
Mr. Pennington
of the Liaison Section had contacted Lieutenant Colonel G. D. Garrett, Jr.,
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Tele. Room
of the Air Forces Intelligence at which time Colonel Garrett advised that
Mr. Nease
Miss Holmes
the Army Air Forces were conducting no research or experiments in the
Miss Gandy
vicinity of Twin Falls, Idaho, on or about August 19, 1947. Colonel Garrett
after
at that time indicated to Mr. Griffee that he would check with the Army area
in order to ascertain whether or not they were conducting any experiments in
Flextat
this vicinity at that time.
Colonel Garrett has subsequently advised Mr. Reynolds that he has
Butty admind
been advised by the Army area that no such experiments were being conducted
in the area of Twin Falls, Idaho, on or about August 19, 1947, which would
in any way throw any light on the matter reported in the teletype.
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RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended this memorandum be forwarded to Mr. Fletcher
of the Internal Security Section.
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Superintendent of Schools
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Dear Mr. Parker:
I wish to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated
September 17, 1947. An Agent of our Albany, New York, Office
will call upon you in the near future for any additional in-
formation in your possession.
Your courtesy and interest in bringing this matter
to my attention are indeed appreciated.
Sincerely yours,
John Edgar Hoover
Director
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SAC, Albany
September 25, 1947
Director, FBI
FLYING DISCS
A. Courtney Parker, Informant
Attached hereto are copies of an incoming communication from A.
Courtney Parker, Superintendent of Schools, South Royalton, Vermont, and
copies of acknowledgment of same.
It is requested that an Agent of your Office call on Mr. Parker
to obtain any additional information in his possession concerning flying
discs.
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Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
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Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
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Dear Sirs:
At 3:40 P.M. to-day I observed a so-called flying
saucer. This occurred while I was half way up Rix Ledges
north of Lebanon, N. H. As I was intently watching the
honey bees circling in a patch of sky after leaving my
bee box my attention was called to a floating object that
appeared to be as large as a tennis ball and as white as
"Flying Discs
cotton batting. This object approached rapidly and noiselessly
from the East and was followed closely by another object
that appeared in size and shape like a saucer which maintained
a constant angle of inclination to the ball and followed it
at a constant distance. The two objects made an angle with
my eye of approximately five degrees. They were in my vision
for more than a minute when I lost them in the glare of the
sun.
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telescope I would have thought that the planets Venus and
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Mr. Hendon
Mr. Jones
Mr. Pennington
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Dear Mr. Winche 11:
The This enclosed le tter deals with what are being
called "discs."
You are not to mention the contents of this
letter over the air, nor to any individual other than officials
of the War Dep't., members of the TBI, or an American whose
patriotism would rank with your own, and who might donate $10,000
or more for the purpose of my continuing the collection of field
data concerning "discs," while time may remain in which to do SO.
I have had respectful attention from the
following persons: (But no che cks, nor expense accounts even.)
Col. Herbert C. Gee, Comm. Officer,
Los Alamos Atomic Project,
Los Alamos, N.M.
Maj. Sidney Newburger, Security Official,
Los Alamos Atomic Project,
Los Alamos, N.M.
Mr. Willard Zimmer, Military Intelligence,
P.O. Box 681,
62-83894-76 Santa Fe, N.M.
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Francis Finley, Agent-in-Charge,
(2)
Federal Bureau of Inv tigation, (Phone 1366)
Santa Te, N.M.
Gen. S.R. Brennault,
Ass't. to LT. Gen. Nathan Γ. Twining,
AAT Materiel Command,
Washington, D.C.
Col. Zumwalt,
Ass't to Colonel Bunker, Comm. Off.
Kirtland Field,
Albuquerque, N.M.
Gen. Patrick Hurley, (Former Ambassador to China,)
1210 Shoreham Bld'g. (Also Santa Fe, N.M.)
Washingto, D.C.
And through the courtesy of Gen. Patrick Hurley,
a letter from Sec. of War Robert Patterson, War Dep't, Washington, D.O
All were highly interested, appreciative, with the
general trend of contacts being, "This is fine. Go right ahead."
My point in writing you is to raise some money to
proceed with. No budgets seemed to allow for the unexpected, elusi ve
"discs."
Sen. Carl Hatch, D-N.M., U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C.
has been contacted by mail for an appropriationA, but even if this
only requires one more week, it may be too late.
You may contact any of the above listed persons to
verify my contacts (excuse repetition word contact) during the past
four months. In other words, I began reporting directly to
Dr. Norris Bradbury, Scientific Head of Los Alamos, and Colonel Gee,
et al, some time ago that this type aerial "disc" was a reality.
(3)
This material was considered confidential, and still is.
I have been asked by Colonel Gee not to speak any further
than material which has been published in the press. And I have
chosen simply not to speak at all, except to a source which I consider
might further my own work.
If you ask of the above persons, to ascertain whether or
not I have made serious, materially valuable contributions, which
may indicate much scientifically
and which, if action can be
continued soon enough, may a little later save our nation much
please make inquiries quietly, and as promptly as convenient.
I must ask you not to speculate, even to yourself
but simply to act.
Do not mention in any manner, until release by the War
Dep't, even the receipt of this letter, except to the above persons,
or proper government officials there. Or, to one whom you know will
make a donation.
Perhaps your savest bet would be simply to telephone the
FBI there, and let them telephone Francis Finley here for verification.
I promise you an exclusive, behind the scenes story when,
and if, the War Dep't releases the material nationally. Meantime,
your action now may save your own life, and that of others who may
have wondered what a "disc" is.
1
Rest assured I have all the pro per scientific and governmenta
contacts needed
all I need is the wherewithall. I have the
proper background to discuss the subject, secure the further field
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data I now need, explain it technically, and secure proper action,
provided I am given the means to do so.
I regret that I cannot be more specific now, but duty
to country rests above.
I have met before with the mental reaction, "What? A
woman handling this type material? = And my signature befow will
probably evoke the same response from you. So I assure you, yes,
it is a woman who is coming in with the information which men have
gone out to seek. And doing the proper thing about it.
Mary Madeline Mrs. Most Madeline respectfully, Gwynne Merchant TherchanD
cc/
P.S. Am a former newspaper person, and very proud of it.
Am 39, but dress and feel some younger.
Again, I must ask you not to mention even the town from
which this letter comes, as you may be endangering lives to
so so. Simply ascertain my contributions, get some money to
me, and wait. (Francis Finley himself would give me a gas
budget, if he were not so close himself.)
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August 28, 1947
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Mr. Tolson
Mr. E. A. Tamm
Clegg
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Mrs. J. H. Mixon
Tracy
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Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Route 1, Box 30
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Hendon
Mr. Pennington
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Mr. Nease
Miss Beahm
The attached letter dated August 14, 1947 from Mrs. Mixon to-
Miss Gandy
gether with the material which she reports to be part of a flying saucer
was received in the Laboratory on August 19, 1947. The material which
was submitted with Mrs. Mixon's letter has been identified as powdered
soap stones.
Inasmuch as the Investigative and Security Divisions might possibly
be interested in this matter, I request that you advise me as to the final
disposition of the submitted material as well as the type of reply which
should be made to Mrs. Mixon's letter.
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DATE: September 4, 1947
Mr. Tolson
FROM :
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Mr. E.A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Coffey
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
SUBJECT: FLYING SAUCER
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Hendon
Mr. Pennington
Mr. Quinn Талт
Reference is made to the memorandum from Mr. Baughman to Mr.
Tele. Room
Mr. Nesse
Harbo, dated August 28, 1947, requesting advice as to the final disposi-
tion of material submitted by Mrs. J. H. Mixon, Estill, South Carolina.
It is noted that this material, which Mrs. Mixon reported to be a part of
Harbo
a flying saucer, has been identified as powdered soap stones,
ThBaughman
It is recommended that the material be returned to Mrs. Mixon
along with a letter advising that such has been identified as powdered soap
stones.
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DATE: September 4, 1947
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SAC, Phoenix
SUBJECT:
REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS
ATTENTION: ASSISTANT DIRECTOR D. M. LADD
Reference is made to San Francisco letter dated August 28, 1947,
and to Bureau teletype to Phoenix dated August 30, 1947.
With reference to the above matter, I desire to point out that the
letter of reference from San Francisco did not reach Phoenix until September
2, 1947.
On August 29, 1947, a Mr. GEORGE FUGATE, JR. called at the Phoenix
office and exhibited credentials reflecting that he is a representative of A-2,
Fourth Air Force, Hamilton Field, California. He also exhibited orders emanating
from the office of Colonel DONALD SPRINGER, A-2, Fourth Air Force, Hamilton Field,
California, instructing him to proceed to Phoenix immediately and contact the FBI
office, at which time a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation would
be designated to accompany him to interview WILLIAM RHODES, who had previously
reported the photographing of a flying disc. The orders further indicated that
the San Francisco office of the FBI was transmitting further information re-
lating to Mr. FUGATE'S mission.
ASAC HEBER M. CLEGG telephonically communicated with SAC HARRY KIMBALL
of the San Francisco office and Mr. KIMBALL verified the above information and
stated that a letter had been directed to the Phoenix office suggesting that the
Phoenix office assist any representative who called from A-2 in the interrogation
of RHODES. SAC KIMBALL stated that in connection with flying discs, he had main-
tained close contact with Colonel SPRINGER and that close cooperation existed.
He further advised that many reports of flying discs had been received at San
Francisco and that a full discussion concerning the results of
been held with Colonel SPRINGER.
DEFERRED
In connection with flying disc investigations, Mr. KIMBALL advised
he had maintained close touch with the Bureau and had apparently handled these
matters in accordance with Bureau policy.
In view of the above, Special Agent J. BAILEY BROWER of the Phoenix
office was permitted to work with Mr. FUGATE in the interview of WILLIAM ALBERT
RHODES. The results of the inquiry are set out hereunder.
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WILLIAM ALBERT RHODES, 4333 N. 14th Street, Phoenix, Arizona, owns
and maintains the Panoramic Research Laboratory and Hobby Shop at this address,
and he related the following as occurring on the afternoon of July 7, 1947:
A storm had occurred in Phoenix on the afternoon of July 7, 1947,
and the clouds were at approximately 5000 feet, the color of which was grey
and they resembled dense cumulus. A fifteen mile per hour wind was blowing.
At approximately 5 p.m. on that date, Mr. RHODES was walking from his home
to the Hobby Shop and he heard a noise resembling a P-80 aircraft, apparently
coming in a westerly direction. Upon searching the skies he observed to the
northeast what appeared to be an odd shaped ship. He described this ship as
being possibly 20 to 30 feet in diameter, traveling at an estimated speed of
100 miles per hour. It appeared to be making a spiral in a small radius of
possibly one-half to three quarters of a mile. RHODES stated the sound which
he first heard was no longer audible; that he hurriedly procured a 120 Brownie
Box Camera from his shop, and as the aircraft completed the first circle he
obtained a photograph. As the ship started on the second turn, it was in a
northwesterly direction from his place and he again snapped a photograph, which
more closely resembled the shape of the ship than photograph #1, this being
designated as Exhibit II, as submitted to the Bureau with letter dated August
4, 1947, by the Office of Assistant Chief of Staff A-2 Intelligence, Hamilton
Field, California. RHODES further described the direction of the ship by
stating that instead of completing the lefthand downward spiral the ship banked
to the right and disappeared into the clouds. He stated that just as it banked,
he had snapped the second photograph, Exhibit II.
At the last point, which was at the time the ship made this turn, Mr.
RHODES estimated it to be between 1,000 and 2,000 feet high. He further des-
cribed the appearance of this ship as closely resembling a picture which appeared
on the front cover of the May, 1947, issue of the Mechanics Illustrated Magazine,
the only difference noted by Mr. RHODES being that the ship appeared to be fly-
ing backward.
Mr. RHODES also related that he did not associate the appearance of
this ship with the numerous reports of flying discs. He related, however, that
after a three minute interview with newspaper reporters the story that appeared
in the local papers was "blown up" to the extent that he, RHODES, barely recog-
nized the information furnished by him. Mr. RHODES explained that the afore-
mentioned dimensions and distances were only estimated, pointing out, that his
previous experience probably assisted him in making fairly close estimates. He
related that he had been doing experimental work for the past ten years. He
also stated he was employed at the Naval Ordnance Laboratory, Washington, D. C.
during the early part of World War II and left there the beginning of 1942.
Upon his return to Phoenix, he was employed at Falcon Field near Phoenix which
was leased by the British Government for training purposes. He instructed in
instrument training, aircraft identification and gunnery practice. He explained
that his hobbies have to do with science, physics, radio, electronics and astronomy.
He produced a model which he had made of a radio controlled airplane. He related
that most of his work consists of building transformers, but it is also necessary
for him to depend upon his music ability for his livlihood.
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Phoenix file 62-213
In explaining the results of photographing the ship, Mr. RHODES
stated that he was surprised that the object appeared dark on a light back-
ground; that he fully expected that the object would be light on a dark back-
ground. He described the light spot which appears in the center of the object
(Exhibit II) as being a green house. RHODES insisted that the ship made no
noise that was audible to his ear and he was unable to detect the presence of
any propeller. He also related that after the newspaper release over Radio
Station KTAR, wherein statements were made that he, RHODES, had stated Army
officials were studying the photographs, and that it was a top secret, he
attempted to determine the source of this release and the Radio station finally
told him that it was a United Press release from Washington, D. C.
The following description of RHODES was obtained from observation
and interrogation:
Age
30
Date birth
12-29-16
Place birth
Garden City, Kansas
Height
6' 3"
Weight
155 pounds
Eyes
Blue
Hair
Brown
Education
Phoenix Union High School
Marital status
Married- one son
It should be stated that at the time of interview with RHODES, Mr.
BROWER identified himself as an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and
exhibited his credentials. However, pursuant to a request from Mr. FUGATE, he
was introduced only as a representative of the United States government. His
exact official connection was not made known to Mr. RHODES. Agent BROWER advised
that he felt it was a peculiar procedure, but it was not his business. However,
at the conclusion of the interview, Mr. FUGATE requested Mr. RHODES to furnish
him with the negatives and RHODES stated he would be glad to do so, but they
were not in his immediate possession, and he would deliver them to the FBI the
following morning. Mr. RHODES requested that the negatives be returned to him.
Agent BROWER states that to this request, Mr. FUGATE made no reply. Agent BROWER
states that after leaving Mr. RHODES he asked FUGATE if the negatives would be
returned to Mr. RHODES and FUGATE stated that he doubted very much that they would
be returned. Mr. BROWER then advised Mr. FUGATE that before he, BROWER, would
accept these negatives that RHODES must be advised of Mr. FUGATE'S identity and
also advised that the negatives, if turned over to Mr. FUGATE, would not be
returned to him.
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In view of which, on the morning on August 30, 1947, when Mr. RHODES
called at the Phoenix office to eliver the negatives, they were accepted only
after he was advised that they were being given to Mr. FUGATE, a representative
of the Army Air Foree Intelligence, United States Army, and that there was little,
if any, chance of his getting the negatives back. Mr. RHODES turned the negatives
over to this office with the full understanding that they were being given to the
Army and that he would not get them back.
The Phoenix office did not receive the Bureau teletype of reference
instructing that no joint investigation should be conducted until after the
matter had been handled.
Inasmuch as military authorities have complete knowledge of the results
of the interview with Mr. RHODES no copy of this report is being designated for
A-2.
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DIRECTOR
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FLYING DISCS. LEON V. JENKINS, CHIEF OF POLICE, PORTLAND, STATES
HE OBSERVED AT ABOUT FIVE FIFTEEN PM ELEVENTH INSTANT, AN OBJECT
SIMILAR IN SIZE TO A WEATHER BALLOON, WHICH APPEARED TO BE MADE OF
ALUMINUM OR SOME OTHER BRIGHT METAL, TRAVELING RAPIDLY NORTHWEST TO
SOUTHEAST OVER PORTLAND AT AN ESTIMATED TEN THOUSAND FEET. OBJECT
VEERED TO SOUTH AND DISAPPEARAD IN THE DISTANCE IN APPROXIMATELY ONE
MINUTE. ALSO OBSERVED BY PATROLMAN H. S.RANEY, DRIVER OF JENKINS
CAR, AND POSSIBLY BY OTHER PORTLAND POLICE OFFICERS. SMALL ARTICLE
APPEARED IN PORTLAND NEWSPAPER, THE OREGONIAN, CONCERNING THIS ON
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FLYING DISCS. MRS. G. H. STOCKTON, ONE SIX NINE A VIEW AVENUE,
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IN REPLY REFER TO: AFBIR-CO
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Director
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Dear Sir:
Attention: Liaison Section
In answer to a verbal request of your Mr.
S. W. Reynolds, a complete survey of research activities
discloses that the Army Air Forces has no project with
the characteristics similar to those which have been
associated with the Flying Discs.
Yours sincerely,
See I Schulgen
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Mr. Tolson
Mr. E. A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
Mr. Hendon
Special Agent S. W. Reynolds of the Liaison Section has dis-
Mr. Pennington
Mr. Quinn Tamm
cussed with Lieutenant Colonel George Garrett of the Intelligence
Tele. Room
Mr. Nease
Division of the Air Forces the possibility that the flying discs or
Miss Holmes
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saucers are in fact a project of the Army Air Forces. It should be noted
that Colonel Garrett agreed with this possibility. At that time Mr. Reynolds
pointed out to Colonel Garrett the possible embarrassing position of the
Intelligence Division of the Air Forces if it was subsequently ascertained
that this was the truth, especially since they had requested the assistance
of the Bureau in the captioned matter.
Colonel Garrett advised Mr. Reynolds that he would institute a
further search, and he has now advised that a letter was addressed by Major
General McDonald, Director of the Intelligence Division of the Air Forces, to
the Research and Development Section of the Air Forces.
There is attached hereto a letter addressed to the Director, dated
September 5, 1947, from Brigadier General George F. Schulgen, which states that
a complete survey of research activities discloses that the Army Air Forces
have no project with characteristics similar to those which have been associated
with the flying discs.
RECOMMENDATION:
It 1a recommended that this memorandum be forwarded to the Internal
Security Section for their information.
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SUBJECT: REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS
SECURITY MATTER - X
Refer San Francisco letter dated September 4, 1947.
FRED M. JOHNSON, Globe Hotel, 106 NW. First Avenue, Portland, reported
without consulting any records that on June 24, 1947, while prospecting at a
point in the Cascade Mountains approximately five thousand feet from sea level,
during the afternoon he noticed a reflection, looked up, and saw a disc pro-
ceeding in a southeasterly direction. Immediately upon sighting this object
he placed his telescope to his eye and observed the disc for approximately
forty-five to sixty seconds. He remarked that it is possible for him to pick
up an object at a distance of ten miles with his telescope. At the time the
disc was sighted by Mr. JOHNSON it was banking in the sun, and he observed
five or six similar objects but only concentrated on one. He related that
they did not fly in any particular formation and that he would estimate their
height to be about one thousand feet from where he was standing. He said the
object was about thirty feet in diameter and appeared to have a tail. It made
no noise.
According to JOHNSON he remained in the vicinity of the Cascades
for several days and then returned to Portland and noted an article in the
local paper which stated in effect that a man in Boise, Idaho, had sighted a
similar object but that authorities had disclaimed any knowledge of such an
object. He said he communicated with the Army for the sole purpose of attempt-
ing to add credence to the story furnished by the man in Boise.
JOHNSON also related that on the occasion of his sighting the objects
on June 24, 1947 he had in his possession a combination compass and watch. He
noted particularly that immediately before he sighted the disc the compass
acted very peculiar, the hand waving from one side to the other, but that this
condition corrected itself immediately after the discs had passed out of sight.
Informant appeared to be a very reliable individual who advised that
he had been a prospector in the states of Montana, Washington, and Oregon for
the past forty years.
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Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
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FLYING DISCS
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
Mr. Hendon
Mr. Pennington
Special Agent S. W. Reynolds of the Liaison Section, while dis-
Mr. Quinn Tamm
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cussing the above captioned phenomena with Lieutenant Colonel Garrett
Mr. Nease
Miss Holmes
of the Air Forces Intelligence, expressed the possibility that flying
Miss Gandy
discs were, in fact, a very highly classified experiment of the Army or
Navy. Mr. Reynolds was very much surprised when Colonel Garrett not only
Joyne
agreed that this was a possibility, but confidentially stated it was his
personal opinion that such was a probability. Colonel Garrett indicated
confidentially that a Mr Carroll, who is a scientist attached to the
Air
Forces Intelligence, was of the same opinion.
Colonel Garrett stated that he based his assumption on the
following: He pointed out that when flying objects were reported seen over
Sweden, the "high brass" of the War Department exerted tremendous pressure
on the Air Forces Intelligence to conduct research and collect information
in an effort to identify these sightings. Colonel Garrett stated that, in
contrast to this, we have reported sightings of unknown objects over the
United States, and the "high brass" appeared to be totally unconcerned.
He indicated this led him to believe that they knew enough about these
objects to express no concern. Colonel Garrett pointed out further that the
objects in question have been seen by many individuals who a re what he
terms "trained observers," such as airplane pilots. He indicated also that
several of the individuals are reliable members of the community. He stated
it is his conclusion that these individuals saw something. He stated the
above has led him to come to the conclusion that there were objects seen
which somebody in the Government knows all about.
Mr. Reynolds pointed out to Colonel Garrett that if it is a fact
experimentations are being conducted by the United States Government, then it
does not appear reasonable to request the FBI to spend money and precious
time conducting inquiries with respect to this matter. Colonel Garrett stated
that he agreed with Mr. Reynolds in this regard and indicated that it would be
his
extremely embarrassing to the Air Forces Intelligence if it later is learned
that these flying discs are, in fact, an experiment of the United States
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Forney of the Intelligence Division of the War Department. Colonel Forney
stated that he had discussed the matter previously with General Chamberlin.
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Mr. Reynolds and indicated that he had discussed this matter with General
Schulgen of the Army Air Forces. General Schulgen had previously assured both
Mr. Reynolds and Colonel Garrett that to the best of his knowledge and in-
formation no experiments were being undertaken by the Government which could be
mistaken for flying discs. Colonel Garrett indicated to Mr. Reynolds that
he had pointed out his beliefs to General Schulgen and had mentioned the
possibility of an embarrassing situation arising between the Air Forces
Intelligence and the FBI. General Schulgen agreed with Colonel Garrett
that a memorandum would be prepared for the signature of General McDonald,
A2, to General LeMay, who is in charge of Research and Development in the
Air Corps. Colonel Garrett indicated that this memorandum will set forth
the characteristics of the objects seen by various reliable individuals.
The memorandum will then request General LeMay to indicate whether or not
any experiments are being undertaken by the Air Forces which could possibly
be connected with any of the observed phenomena. Colonel Garrett stated
that when a reply is received from General LeMay, a communication will be
addressed to the Bureau.
Mr. Reynolds will follow this matter closely with Colonel Garrett
and General Schulgen so that the Bureau will be promptly advised of all
information regarding the flying discs, especially any information indicating
that they are, in fact, an experiment of some Governmental agency.
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Mr. Nichols
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Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
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Mr. Hendon
Mr. Pennington
Section dated July 21, 1947, setting forth a request from Colonel
Mr. Quinn Tamm
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Golbranson of the Intelligence Division of the War Department for the
Mr. Nease
Miss Holmes
Bureau to conduct investigation to determine the origin of the flying
discs.
Miss gyes Gandy
OBSERVATIONS:
It is felt that the situation regarding these flying saucers and
flying discs is very similar to the situation which was previously encountered
by the Bureau during the past war in handling complaints arising out of the
sighting of Japanese baloons. You will recall that at the inception of these
complaints the Bureau conducted considerable investigation and located numerous
baloons as a cooperative measure for the Army and that after considerable work
had been done, the Army then informed that these were military weapons and that
they would take over the handling of these completely. This they did and in an
extremely short time issued a big press release as to the splendid work of the
Army in locating these Japanese baloons. From the information available thus
far, it does not appear that these discs should be treated other than as a
military weapon. Certainly the Bureau has no way to determine what experiments
the Army and Navy are conducting and whether such might be arising out of
experiments being conducted by them nor do we have any way of determining how
far the Russians have progressed in certain experiments and whether such might
be the results of experiments by the Russian Army. It short, it would certainly
appear that this is a military situation and should be handled strictly by
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military authorities.
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In this connection it might be pointed out that our present Portland
case arose out of the fact that two Army Intelligence officers were returning
from an interview of two individuals who reportedly had seen flying discs. If
the Army Intelligence officers are handling some of these interviews, it is be-
lieved that they should be handling all of these interviews, and it is not
believed that the Bureau should be expending its precious manpower on these com-
plaints which thus far have no connection with our Russian espionage program.
The military authorities certainly are better equipped to know what they are
looking for than we are and have more facilities for handling any material which
it is necessary to examine as a result of its being reported as a remnant of a
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flying disc. It is believed that the Bureau is merely playing bird-dog for the
Army by using our manpower to run out these complaints on flying discs.
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Receipt is acknowledged of your letter
dated September 19, 1947, requesting information
concerning the origin of the "Flying Saucer SECOBIA
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In this connection, you are advised
that in view of a long established policy I am
unable to furnish the results of investigations
by this Bureau to other than Governmental sources.
For this reason I regret that I am unable to
answer your question, but I appreciate your
interest in writing to me in this regard.
Sincerely yours,
John Edgar Hoover
Director
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Japan do anything now they ways
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FLYING DISKS SIGHTED BY FRED CHRISMAN AND HARLD A DAHL, TACOMA, WN.
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SM DASH X. REMYTEL AUGUST SIX, LAST CAPTIONED FLYING DISKS. HAROLD A.
DAHL AND FRED CHRISMAN, TACOMA, IN SIGNED STATEMENT INSTANT DATE
STATE THAT IN EARLY PART OF JUNE, LAST, THE 4 PICKED UP SOME STRANGE
ROCK FORMATIONS FROM A GRAVEL PIT, MAURI ISLAND, WASHINGTON. THEY STATE
A CIGAR BOX OF THESE ROCK FORMATIONS THEY SENT TO RAY PALMER, EDITOR OF
VENTURE MAGAZINE IN EVANSTON, ILLINOIS. THEY STATE PLAMER IS ALSO
EDITOR OF FANTASY MAGAZINE, CHICAGO, ILLINOIS. THEY STATE THEY REQUESTED
PALMER ONLY TO MAKE A CHEMICAL ANALYSIS OF THE ROCK FORMATION.
DAHL AND CHRISMAN STATE PALMER LATER WROTE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL SAMPLES
STATING HE HAD BEEN UNABLE TO ANALYZE THE MATERIAL. DAHL AND CHRISMAN
STATE PALMER, A FEW DAYS AFTER THE FLYING DISK STORIES STARTED THE LATTER
PART OF JUNE, LAST, CONTACTED THEM BY PHONE AT TACOMA, WASHINGTON, SAYING
HE WOULD PAY FOR AN EXCLUSIVE STORY IF THE MATERIAL WHICH THEY HAD SENT
HIM WAS FRAGMENTS OF A FLYING DISK. DAHL STATES HE WROTE PALMER A
LETTER IN WHICH HE STATED THE MATERIAL WAS PART OF A FLYING DISK. DAHL
AND CHRISMAN ADMIT THIS STATEMENT WAS ENTIREY FALSE. DAHL AND CHRISMAN
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STATE THEY WERE CALLED BY KENNETH ARNOLD OF BOISE, IDAHO TO MEET WITH
HIM AT THE WHITHROP HOTEL, TACOMA, EX WASHINGTON. 65 ON JULY THIRTYFIRST,
LAST. THEY STATE ARNOLD CALLED IN ARMY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS FROM
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HAMILTON FIELD, CALIFORNIA, AND CAPTAIN EMIL H SMITH OF UNITED AIR
LINES, SEATTLE, WASHINGTON TO ATTEND THE MEETING. DAHL AND CHRISMAN
CLAIM THEY TOLD THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS, CAPTAIN DAVIDSON AND LIEUTEN-
ANT BROWN, AS WELL AS KENNETH ARNOLD AND EMIL SMITH EXACTLY HOW THEY GOT
THE ROCK FORMATIONS AND THAT THEY HAD NO CONNECTION WITH ANY FLYING DISK.
DAHL AND CHRISMAN STATE THEY FURNISHED SOME OF THE ROCK FORMATION TO THE
INTELLIGENT OFICERS AS SAMPLES. CAPTAIN DAVIDSON AND LIEUTEANT BROWN
LEFT TACOMA, WASHINGTON IN A B TWENTY FIVE TO RETURN TO HAMILTON FIELD,
CALIFORNIA ABOUT TWO THIRTY A. M. AUGUST ONE, LAST, AND WERE KILLED
WHEN THEIR PLANE CRASHED AT KELSO, WASHINGTON, AFTER THE LEFT ENGINE
BURNED OUT AN EXHAUST STACK WHICH IN TURN CAUGHT THE LEFT WING ON FIRE
AND IT BROKE OFF. THE CREW CHIEF AND EACH OFFICER PARACHUTED TO SAFETY.
ERNIE VOTEL, ASSOCIATED PRESS WIREMAN, TACOMA, ADVISED THAT TWO OR THREE
DAYS AFTER THE FLYING DISK STORIES STARTED, HE CONTACTED DAHL TO CHECK
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A STORY THE SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER HAD GOTEN FRM THE FIRE CHIEF AT
HARBOR, WASHINGTON, TO THE EFFECT THAT DAHL HAD SOME FLYING DISK
FRAGMENTS. AT THIS TIME DAHL ADMITTED TO VOGEL THE ENTIRE STORE WAS
FALSE. DAHL AND CHRISMAN STATE ARNOLD WAS PAID BY RAY PALMER OF THE
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FANTASY MAGAZINE AND POSSIBLY THE BOISE STATEMAN- SXX NEWSPAER, TO COME
TO TACOMA, WASHINGTON AND OBTAIN A STORY FROM THEM REGARDING THE
FLYING DISK FRAGMENTS. THEY FURTHER STATE THAT EMIL H. SMITH HAD A
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FRIEND ON THE CHICAGO TIMES AND WAS POSSIBLY SELLING THE STORY TO TE
CHICAGO TIMES THROUGH THIS FRIEND. A CHECK OF THE RCORDS AT THE
WITHROP HOTEL, TACOMA WHERE ARNOLD HAD HIS ROOM, REFLECT THAT ON JULY
1
THIRTY FIRST, LAST, ARNOLD CALLED PALMER AT A. N. FIVE TWO NAUGHT NAUGT,
EVANSTON, ILLINOIS, COLLECT, AND ALSO CALLED NAUGHT ONE NAUGHT NINE J AT
BOISE, IDAHO, COLLECT. ON AUGUST ONE, LAST, ARNOLD CALLED PALMER AT
DEARBORN FIVE TWO NAUGHT NAUGHT CHICAGO, COLLECT, AND EMIL SMITH CALLED
BLANK RODDY AT DEARBORN TWO THREE TWO THREE. ON JULY THIRTY FIRST AND
AUGUST ONE, LAST, A TOTAL OF FIVE ANONYMOUS CALLS WERE RECEIVED BY A
0
TACOMA TIMES REPORTER AND THE UNITED PRESS WIRE MAN AT TACMA, GIVING IN-
FORMATION REGARDING THE MEETING AT THE WINTHROP HOTEL OVER THE DISK
FRAGMENTS AND STATING THAT THE B TWENTY FIVE HAD BEEN SHOT DOWN OR
SABOTAGED WHICH KILLED CAPTAIN DAVIDSON AND LIEUTEANT BROWN INFERRING
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THAT THIS WAS DONE BECAUSE THE INTELLIGENE OFFICERS WERE CARRYING DISK
FRAGMENTS IN THEIR PLANE. DAHL AND CHRISMAN STATE THESE CALLS COULD ONLY
HAVE COME FROM THEMSELVES, SMITH OR ARNOD, AND DENY THAT THEY MADE THE
CALLS. NO RECORD OF THE CALLS AS HAVING BEEN MADE FROM ARNOLD-S ROOM
IN THE WINTHROP HOTEL CAN BE LOCATED. DAHL AND CHRISMAN ARE EVASIVE AS
TO JUST WHAT INFORMATION THEY DID FURNISH BY PHONE OR LETTER TO RAY
PALMER. ERNIE VOGEL, UNITED PRESS WIRE MAN TACOMA, WASHINGTON,
STATE IT APPEARS THE BOISE STATEMAN-S PAPER AND KENNETH ARNOLD HAVE
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BEEN PUSHING THE PUBLICITY ON THE FLYING DISK STORIES. VOGEL STATES
THAT ARNOLD WAS EIGHER THE FIRST OR ONE OF THE FIRST TO CLAIM HE HAD
SEEN FLYING DISKS. DAHL AND CHRISMAN STATE THAT ARNOLD ADMITTED RE-
CEIVING MONEY FROM RAY PALMER TO COME TO TACOMA TO CHECK THE DISK
STORY. UNLESS ADVISED TO THE CONTRARY BY THE BUREAU, THE BUTTE OFFICE
AT BOISE, IDAHO, WILL OBTAIN ALL INFORMATION REGARDING THE CONNECTION
BETWEEN THE BOISE STATEMAN-S PAPER AND KENNNETH ARNOLD. WILL INTERVIEW
KENNETH ARNOLD, ROUTE ONE, MOUNTAIN VIEW DRIVE, BOISE FOR WHAT INFORMTION
HE HAS AS TO THE ABOVE FACTS AND WHAT INFORATION HE FURNISHED RAY PALMER
AND THE BOISE STATEMAN REGARDING THE TACOMA MEETING AND THE SABOTAGE
OF THE B TWENTYFIVE. THE CHICAGO OFFICE AT CHICAGO WILL INTERVIEW RAY
PALMER, EDITOR OF FRANTASY MAGAZINE, REGARDING HIS CONNECTIONS WITH
DAHL AND CHRISMAN AND ARNOLD AND WHAT INFORMATION EACH FURNISHED TO HIM.
WILL ALSO ATTEMPT TO ASCERTAIN WHAT INFORMATION CAPTAIN EMIL H. SMITH
FURNISHED THE CHICAGO TIMES. THE SEATTLE OFFICE AT SEATTLE WILL
INTERVIEW EMIL H. SMITH, THREE NAUGHT TWO SEVEN WEST LAURELHURST
DRIVE ALONG THESE SAME LINES. WILL ALSO ASCERTAIN WHAT INFORMATION THE
FIRE CHIEF AT HRABOR XXX HARBOR, WASHINGTON OTAINED FROM DAHL AND
CHRISMAN.
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FLYING DISCS SIGHTED BY FRED CHRISMAN AND HAROLD A. DAHL, TACOMA, MWN
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SM DASH X REMYTEL AUGUST SEVEN LAST. EMIL J SMITH, UNITED AIRLINES
PILOT, INTERVIEWED RE ASSOCIATIONS WITH HAROLD A. DAHL, FRED CHRISMAN
AND KENNETHARNOLD IN TACOMA, WN., FROM JULY THIRTYONE TO AUGUST THIRD
LAST. SMITH HAS RECEIVED PREVIOUS PUBLICITY FOR HAVING SEEN FLYING
DISCS OR SIMILAR OBJECTS ON JULY FOURTH LAST IN COMPANY WITH HIS co-
PILOT, RALPH STEVENS, DURING ROUTINE UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT OUT OF
BOISE, IDAHO. SMITH RELATES THAT HE WENT TO TACOMA, WN., FROM SEATTLE
ON THURSDAY, JULY THIRTYONE LAST IN RESPONSE TO TELEPHONE CALL FROM
KENNETH ARNOLD AT TACOMA. SMITH CLAIMS HE HAD PREVIOUSLY MET ARNOLD
ON TWO OCCASIONS, THE FIRST TIME ON JULY FIFTH LAST IN OFFICES OF
SEATTLE POST- INTELLIGENCER WHERE BOTH WERE INTERVIEWED RE FLYING DISCS
THEY HAD SEEN, AND ON SECOND OCCASION IN BOISE, IDAHO, ABOUT THREE
WEEKS AGO WHILE HE, SMITH, WAS PASSING THROUGH ON ROUTINE FLIGHT. ON
THIS LATTER OCCASION, ARNOLD WAS IN COMPANY OF CAPTAIN DAVIDSON ADNXXX
AND LIEUTENANT BROWN, ARMY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS, AND A REPORTER FROMM
JOHNSON OF THE IDAHO STATESMAN NEWSPAPER. SMITH CLAIMS NO PREVIOUS
ACQUAINTANCE WITH DAHL OR CHRISMAN. SMITH RELATES THAT ON NIGHT OFFOR DESK
JULY THIRTY ONE LAST IN TACOMA, WN., THE DAHL AND CHRISMAN STORY, WHICH
BOTH HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY ADMITTED TO BE FALSE WAS TOLD TO SMITH, ARNOLD,
CAPTAIN DAVIDSON, AND LIEUTENANT BROWN BY CHRISMAN AND DAHL. SUBSEQUEST
TO THIS INTERVIEW, CHRISMAN GAVE CAPTAIN DAVIDSON AND BROWN A BOX OF
THE ALLEGED FRAGMENTS WHICH THEY APPARENTLY RECORDED TOOK WITH THEM ON THEREX
AFTER LEARNING OF THE CRASH AND DEATH OF DAVIDSON AND BROWN, ARNOLD 90
THEIR FATAL FLIGHT. SMITH STATES THAT ON 62 SATURDAY AUGUST FIRST LAST,
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AND WAS TOLD BY PALMER TO DISCONTINUE HIS INVESTIGATION OF THE DAHL-
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хихкихк SMITH RELATES THAT HE AND ARNOLD MADE SUBSEQUEST ATTEMPTS TO GO
OUT TO MAURI ISLAND WITH CRISMAN AND DAHL ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY,
AUGUST FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD, BUT WERE PUT OFF BY CHRISMAN ADN DAHL
FOR VARIOUS REASONS, SMITH STATES THAT REPORTER LANTZ OF TACOMA TIMES
AND MORELLO OF UNITED PRESS OFFICE TACOMA INFORMED HIM AND ARNOLD OF THE
ANONYMOUS PHONE CALLS , AND FROM ACCCURACY OF THE INFO TRANSMITTED BY
THESE ANONYMOUS CALLS, SMITH BELIEVES THEY WERE MADE BY EITHER DAHL OR
CHRISMAN. SNITH ADMITS CALLING HIS PERSONAL FRIEND MAURICE RODDY,
AVIATION EDITOR OF CHICAGO TIMES, ON FRIDAY, AUGUST FIRST LAST, TO INFORM
HIM OR THE TACOMA INCIDENT AS PER A PREVIOUS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM THAT
SMITH WOULD LET RODDY IN ON ANY FLYING DISC STORIES WHICH HE MIGHT RUN
INTO. SMITH ALSO ADMITS THAT HE TOLD REPORTER JOHNSON OF IDAHO STATESMAN
IN TELEPHONE CONVERSATION SATURDAY NIGHT, AUGUST SECOND LAST, THAT CAPTATA
DAVIDSON AND LIEUTENANT BROWN WERE CARRYING FRAGMENTS WITH THEM ON THEIR
FATAL FLIGHT. SMITH SAYS THAT DAHL TOLD HIM ON SATURDAY NITE AUGUAT
SECOND LAST THAT HE, DAHL, IF CONTACTED BY THE ARMY OR OTHER AUTHORITIES
WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THE ENTRRE STORY WAS A HOAX. SMITH STATES THAT
HE TOLD HIS COMPLETE STORY TO MAJOR SANDERS OF MCCORD FIELD, TACOMA, ON
SUNDAY MORNING , AUGUST THIRD If LAST, AND THAT ARNOLD LEFT TACOMA.
UNLESS ADVISED TO CONTRARY, LANTZ AND MORELLO WHO ARE BOTH TACOMA
NEWSPAPERMEN MENTIONED ABOVE, WILL NOT BE CONTACTED FOR VERIFICATION
OF SINK SMITHS STORY ABOVE. UNABLE TO LOCATE FIRE CHIEF OF HARBOR, WN.
TO BERIFY INFORMATION REMXX RECEIVED BY HIM FROM DAHL AND CHRISMAN.
SINCE THIS STORY ORIGINATED IN SEATTLE POST- INTELLIGENCER NEWS-
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FIELD, IN CHARGE OF INVESTIGATION BY A-TWO IS THOUGHT BY A-TWO
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FILE NO.
The
September 4, 1947
Director, FBI
Attention: FBI Laboratory
Re: Mrs. A. G. SARBANIS, Informant
Dear Sir:
Reference is made to Bureau letter dated July 21, 1947, addressed
to Mrs. A. G. SARBANIS, 66 Notre Dame Avenue, Hicksville, Long Island, New
York, a copy of which was sent to the New York Office.
Mrs. SARBANIS was interviewed by Special Agent William A. Johnson
on August 12, 1947, at which time she advised that this coded message had
appeared in "Newsday," the local newspaper of Nassau and Suffolk County,
Long Island, New York. She stated that the message had appeared in the
"County Irritant," a feature of this paper, and had been signed "Radio Ham."
Mr. JACK ALTSCHUL, City Editor of "Newsday," Hempstead, New York,
was interviewed and advised that this article had been sent to the newspaper
by letter which was signed "Radio Ham," and explained that he had no way of
determining the identity of the writer. Mr. ALTSCHUL stated that it was his
opinion that the code had been made up by some local "screwball" who had
been affected by all of the newspaper publicity that had been given at that
time to the story about flying discs.
There is enclosed an article appearing in the July 12th issue of
"Newsday" concerning this coded message, which might be of interest in this
matter.
Unless advised to the contrary, no further effort is being made
to establish the identity of the person who signed himself "Radio Ham."
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no luck. I got so disgusted I ended
up in a tavern and got lit. When
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I SAW FLYING SAUCERS IN
AIR!
-No Foolin.
Garbles
Westbury-Bellmore Radio
Ham's message seems to be from
some gentleman occupying an
Olympian height. As with many of
these erudite souls, the sender can-
not resist including a few "garbles"
in his code. Or is our Ham guilty?
Here is your message: TIRED OF
HUMAN NONSENSE WONT
AWAIT ATOMIC WAR DISTURB-
ING SOLAR SYSTEM SO SENT
FLYING DISKS AND WILL SET
UP WORLD UNDER MARTIANS
LATE THIS YEAR.
-Simple transposition. Hope all
your readers are appropriately
warned.
-Stephen M. Schuster.
(Other ungarblers got "outlaw"
(ATLAW) instead of "await,"
"disrupting" instead of "disturb-
ing." Miss Rita Flood of Port
Washington expects the world
ENCLOSURE
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ister." Is Radio Ham satisfied
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DATE: 9/17/47
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FROM : W. V. Cleveland
Mr. E. A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
SUBJECT: Mrs. A. G. Sarbanis
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Informant
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
You will recall that a letter was received from the
Mr. Mohr
Mr. Pennington
above captioned individual dated July 10, 1947, in which she
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Tele. Room
inclosed a newspaper clipping signed "Radio Ham. " This news-
Mr. Nease
Miss Holmes
Miss Gandy
paper clipping contained a coded message which Mrs. Sarbanis
decoded. The FBI Laboratory checked Mrs. Sarbanis' decoding of
this message and advised that it was substantially correct. The
Laboratory's decoding of the message is being set forth below:
"TIRED OF HUMAN NONSENSE WONT AWAIT ATOMIC WAR
DISRUPTING ORDER SOLAR SYSTEM so SENT FLYING
DISKS AND WILL SET UP WORLD ORDER UNDER MARTIANS
LATE THIS YEAR."
The New York Office was asked to interview Mrs. Sarbanis to
determine from what newspaper the clipping in question was obtained.
They were further instructed to contact this newspaper in an effort
to ascertain the identity of the person who sent in the coded message,
in order that the person might be interviewed for information ∞ ncerning
the alleged receipt of the coded message.
By letter dated September 4, 1947, the New York Office
advised that they had ascertained from Mrs. Sarbanis that the coded
message had appeared in "Newsday, the local newspaper of Nassau and
Suffolk County, Long Island, New York. The City Editor of this news-
paper stated that the original had been signed only "Radio Ham" and
knew of no way of determining the identity of the writer. It was the
City Editor's opinion that the code had been made up by some local
"screwball" who had been affected by all of the newspaper publicity
that had been given to stories concerning "flying discs."
The FBI Laboratory has now advised that the FCC maintains
their amateur records by a geographical breakdown as well as by call
letters and that the Laboratory could possibly get the names of all
amateurs in the Bellmore, Long Island, New York Section in the event
it is desired that another attempt be made to identify the person who
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that ORDHU no further action be taken in
sent this coded message to the "Newsday.
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City Editor of the "Newsday" that the letter by him signed
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Director, FBI - Attention: Assistant
DATE: July 28, 1947
FROM :
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Director D. M. LADD
SAC, San Francisco
SUBJECT:
FLYING DISCS
There is transmitted herewith for the information of the Bureau
a report received from Lieutenant Colonel DONALD L. SPRINGER, A-2, Hamilton Field,
California, containing the results of an investigation by his office concerning
the reported sighting of flying discs.
In addition to containing the detailed descriptions of what was
allegedly seen by several persons, the Bureau's attention is particularly called
to the first memorandum setting forth the notes of Agent FRANK M. BROWN, CIC,
Fourth Air Force, concerning an interview he had with Mr. KENNETH ARNOLD, Box
387, Boise, Idaho, who reported that on July 12, 1947 he had seen nine strange
objects flying over the Cascade Mountain Range of Washington State. It will be
noted that CIC Agent BROWN reports that "Mr. ARNOLD is very outspoken and somewhat
bitter in his opinions of the leaders of the United States Army Air Forces and the
FBI for not having made an investigation of this matter sooner."
The thought has occurred to me that the Bureau might desire to have
an agent of the Butte Office contact Mr. ARNOLD and explain to him our lack of
jurisdiction in such matters.
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sistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Hamilton Field, California
TITLE Flying Discs.
INVESTIGATION MADE AT Palm Springs, Calif., Boise,
Idaho, and Hamilton Field, California.
CONTROLLING OFFICE Air Defense Command
FILE No. D333.5 ID (4AF-1208-I)
PERIOD COVERED From 10 Jul 47 to 18 Jul 47
Case CLASSIFICATION Incident
DATE
18 July 1947
STATUS OF CASE
Pending
REASON FOR INVESTIGATION:
Investigation initiated at the request of Headquarters Air Defense Command
reference letter Headquarters Air Defense Command, dated 7 July 47, File D333.5 ID,
subject: Investigation of Flying Discs.
SYNOPSIS:
Flying Discs first reported in this area 24 June 1947 near Mt. Rainier, Wash.,
by Kenneth M. Arnold (Incl 1, Exhibit A)
Unidentified object reported 9 July 1947 at approximately 1277 near Boise, Idaho,
by David N. Johnson, Aviation Editor, Idaho Daily Statesman. (Incl 2, Exhibit B)
Unidentified objects reported by Capt. E. J. Smith, United Air Lines Pilot,
4 July 1947, eight minutes out of Boise, Idaho. (Incl 3 MOIC, Incl 7 News Clippings
dated 5 July 1947)
Record check of law enforcement agencies, public utilities, and local residences
revealed no record of Richard Rankin in Palm Springs. (Incl 4)
Unidentified objects reported 8 July 1947 at 1245, traveling northeast over
Hamilton Field by S/Sgt Edward R. Baker, (Incl 5, Exhibit I)
Unidentified objects reported over Grand Canyon, Arizona, 0910 MST by Lt. W. G.
McGinty, USN (Incl 6) and in vicinity of Lake Mead by Lt. E. B. Armstrong, Hq Tenth
Air Force, Brooks Field, Texas. (Incl 6).
Extent of publicity in local area indicated by press clippings. (Incl 7)
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EDERAL BUREAU CF INVESTIGATION
U.S. DEPARTMENT JUSTICE
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W.D., P.M. G. Form No. 110
SAN FRANCISC
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(This form supersedes W. D., 0. C.S. Form No. 19, which
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:
1. On 12 July 1947, Mr. Kenneth Arnold, Box 387, Boise, Idaho,
was interviewed in regard to the report by Mr. Arnold that he saw 9
strange objects flying over the Cascade Mountain Range of Washington
State on July 25th. Mr. Arnold voluntarily agreed to give the interviewer
a written report of exactly what he had seen on the above mentioned date.
The written report of Mr. Arnold is attached to this report as Exhibit A,
AGENT'S NOTES: Mr. Arnold is a man of 32 years of age, being married and
the father of two children. He is well thought of in the community in
which he lives, being very much the family man and from all appearances
a very good provider for his family. Mr. Arnold has recently purchased a
home on the outskirts of Boise, recently purchased a $5,000 airplane in
which to conduct his business to the extent of which is explained in the
attached exhibit. It is the personal opinion of the interviewer that Mr.
Arnold actually saw what he stated that he saw. It is difficult to believe
that a man of Mr. Arnold's character and apparent integrity would state
that he saw objects and write up a report to the extent that he did if he
did not see them. To go further, if Mr. Arnold can write a report of the
character that he did while not having seen the objects that he claimed he
saw, it is the opinion of the interviewer that Mr. Arnold is in the wrong
business, that he should be writing Buck Rogers fiction. Mr. Arnold is
very outspoken and somewhat bitter in his opinions of the leaders of the
U.S. Army Air Forces and the Federal Bureau of Investigation for not having
made an investigation of this matter sooner. To put all of the statements
made by Mr. Arnold in this report would make it a voluminous volume. However,
after having checked an aeronautical map of the area over which Mr. Arnold
claims that he saw the objects it was determined that all statements made by
Mr. Arnold in regard to the distances involved, speed of the objects, course
of the objects and size of the objects, could very possibly be facts. The
distances mentioned by Mr. Arnold in his report are within a short distance
of the actual distances on aeronautical charts of this area, although Mr.
Arnold has never consulted aeronautical charts of the type the Army uses.
Mr. Arnold stated that his business had suffered greatly since his report
on July 25 due to the fact that at every stop on his business routes, large
groups of people were waiting to question him as to just what he had seen.
Mr. Arnold stated further that if he, at any time in the future, saw anything
in the sky, to quote Mr. Arnold directly, "if I saw a ten story building
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flying through the air I would never say a word about it", due to the
fact that he has been ridiculed by the press to such an extent that he
is practically a moron in the eyes of the ma jority of the population of
the United States.
1 Incl: Exhibit "A"
FRANK M. BROWN, S/A, CIC 4th AF
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I was born March 29, 1915 .Subeka, Minnesota. My father's name was
Edward Erb Arnold; my mother's maiden name was Bertha E. Barden. I was a
resident of Minnesota until I was six years old when my family moved to
Scobey, Montana, where they homesteaded. My grandfather, Roland C. Arnold
also homesteaded in Scobey, Montana, and became quite prominent in political
circles along with Burton K. Wheeler, the famous Montana senator.
I went to grade school and high school at Minot, North Dakota. I
entered scouting at twelve years of age and achieved the rank of Eagle scout
before I was fourteen. My former scout executive was H. H. Prescott, now a
regional commissioner for the Boy Scouts in Kansas City, Kansas.
As a boy, I was interested in athletics and was selected as an all-
state end in 1932 and 1933 in the state of North Dakota. I entered the
U. S. Olympic trials in fancy diving in 1932; I was a Red Cross Life Saving
Examiner during the years of 1932, '33 and '34. I taught swimming and diving
at scout camps and the municipal pool in Minot, North Dakota. I went to the
University of Minnesota, where I swam and did fancy diving under Neils Thorpe,
and also played football under Bernie Bierman, but upon entering college I
was unable to continue my football career because of an injured knee. My
high school football coach was Glenn L. Jarrett, who is now the head football
coach of the University of North Dakota. I had little or no finances, and
my ambition in furthering my edication in college was through my' athletics.
As a boy in Minot, North Dakota, I did a good deal of dog sled racing, placed
first with my dog in 1930 in the Lions Club Dog Derby.
In 1938 I went to work for Red Comet, Inc. of Littleton, Colorado, a
manufacturer of automatic fire fighting apparatus. In 1939 I was made
district manager for them over a part of the western states, and in 1940 I
established my own fire control supply known as the Great Western Fire
Control Supply. I have been working as an independent fire control engineer
since, and I handle, distribute, sell and install all types of automatic and
manual fire fighting equipment in the rural areas over five western states.
My flying experience started as a boy in Minot, North Dakota, where
I took my first flying lesson from Earl T. Vance, who was originally from
Great Falls, Montana. Due to the high cost at that time, I was unable to
continue my flying and did not fly of any great consequence until 1943.
I was given my pilot certificate by Ed Leach, a senior CAA inspector of
Portland, Oregon, and for the last three years have owned my own airplane
covering my entire territory with same and flying from forty to one hundred
hours per month since. Due to the fact that I use an airplane entirely in
my work, in January of this year I purchased a new Callair airplane, which
is an airplane designed for high altitude take-offs and short rough field use.
In the type of flying I do, it takes a great deal of practice and
judgment to be able to land in most any cow pasture and get out without
injuring your airplane; the runways are very limited and the altitude is
very high in some of the fields and places I have to go in my work. To
date, I have landed in 823 cow pastures in mountain meadows, and in over
a thousand hours a flat tire has been my greatest mishap.
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The following story of what I observed over the Cascade mountains,
as impossible as it may seem, is positively true. I never asked nor wanted
any notoriety for just accidently being in the right spot at the right time
to observe what I did. I reported something that I know any pilot would
have reported. I don't think that in any way my observation was due to any
sensivity of eye sight or judgment than what is considered normal for any pilot.
On June 24th, Tuesday, 1947, I had finished my work for the Central Air
Service at Chehalis, Washington, and at about two o'clock I took off from
Chehalis, Washington, airport with the intention of going to Yakima, Wash.
My trip was delayed for an hour to search for a large marine transport that
supposedly went down near or around the southwest side of Mt. Rainier in the
state of Washington and to date has never been found.
I flew directly toward Mt. Rainier after reaching an altitude of about
9,500 feet, which is the approximate elevation of the high plateau from which
Mt. Rainier rises. I had made one sweep of this high plateau to the westward,
searching all of the various ridges for this marine ship and flew to the west
down and near the ridge side of the canyon where Ashford, Washington, is located.
Unable to see anything that looked like the lost ship, I made a 360 degree
turn to the right and above the little city of Mineral, starting again toward
Mt. Rainier. I climbed back up to an altitude of approximately 9,200 feet.
The air was so smooth that day that it was a real pleasure flying and,
as most pilots do when the air is smooth and they are flying at a higher
altitude, I trimmed out my airplane in the direction of Yakima, Washington,
which was almost directly east of my position and simply sat in my plane ob-
serving the sky and the terrain.
There was a DC-4 to the left and to the rear of me approximately
fifteen miles distance, and I should judge, at 14,000 foot elevation.
The sky and air was as clear as crystal. I hadn't flown more than
two or three minutes on my course when a bright flash reflected on my
airplane. It startled me as I thought I was too close to some other air-
craft. I looked every place in the sky and couldn't find where the reflec-
tion had come from until I looked to the left and the north of Mt. Rainier
where I observed a chain of nine peculiar looking aircraft flying from north
to south at approximately 9,500 feet elevation and going, seemingly, in a
definite direction of about 170 degrees.
They were approaching Mt. Rainier very rapidly, and I merely assumed
they were jet planes. Anyhow, I discovered that this was where the reflec-
tion had come from, as two or three of them every few seconds would dip or
change their course slightly, just enough for the sun to strike them at an
angle that reflected brightly on my plane.
These objects being quite far away, I was unable for a few seconds to
make out their shape or their formation. Very shortly they approached Mt.
Rainier, and I observed their outline against the snow quite plainly.
I thought it was very peculiar that I couldn't find their tails but
assumed they were some type of jet plane. I was determined to clock their
speed, as I had two definite points I could clock them by; the air was so
clear that it was very easy to see objects and determine their approximate
shape and size at almost fifty miles that day.
I remember distinctly that my sweep second hand on my eight day clock,
which is located on my instrument panel, read one minute to 3 P.M. as the
first object of this formation passed the southern edge of Mt. Rainier.
I watched these objects with great interest as I had never before observed
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airplanes flying so close to the mountain tops, flying directly south to
southeast down the hog's back of a mountain range. I would estimate their
elevation could have varied a thousand feet one way or another up or down,
but they were pretty much on the horizon to me which would indicate they
were near the same elevation as I was.
They flew like many times I have observed geese to fly in a rather
diagonal chain-like line as if they were linked together. They seemed to
hold a definite direction but rather swerved in and out of the high mountain
peaks. Their speed at the time did not impress me particularly, because I
knew that our army and air forces had planes that went very fast.
What kept bothering me as I watched them flip and flash in the sun
right along their path was the fact that I couldn't make out any tail on
them, and I am sure that any pilot would justify more than a second look at
such a plane.
I observed them quite plainly, and I estimate my distance from them,
which was almost at right angles, to be between twenty to twenty-five miles.
I knew they must be very large to observe their shape at that distance, even
on as clear a day as it was that Tuesday. In fact I compared 8. zeus fastener
or cowling tool I had in my pocket with - holding it up on them and
holding it up on the DC-4 - that I could observe at quite a distance to my
left, and they seemed smaller than the DC-4; but, I should judge their span
would have been as wide as the furtherest engines on each side of the
fuselage of the DC-4.
The more I observed these objects, the more upset I became, as I am
accustomed and familiar with most all objects flying whether I am close to
the ground or at higher altitudes. I observed the chain of these objects
passing another high snow-covered ridge in between Mt. Rainier and Mt. Adams,
and as the first one was passing the south crest of this ridge the last
object was entering the northern crest of the ridge.
As I was flying in the direction of this particular ridge, I measured
it and found it to be approximately five miles so I could safely assume that
the chain of these saucer like objects were at least five miles long. I
could quite accurately determine their pathway due to the fact that there
were several high peaks that were a little this side of them as well as
higher peaks on the other side of their pathway.
As the last unit of this formation passed the southern most high snow-
covered crest of Mt. Adams, I looked at my sweep second hand and it showed
that they had travelled the distance in one minute and forty-two seconds.
Even at the time this timing did not upset me as I felt confident after I
would land there would be some explanation of what I saw.
A number of news men and experts suggested that I might have been
seeing reflections or even a mirage. This I know to be absolutely false,
as I observed these objects not only through the glass of my airplane but
turned my airplane sideways where I could open my window and observe the
with a completely unobstructed view. (Without sun glasses)
Even though two minutes seems like a very short time to one on
ground, in the air in two minutes time a pilot can observe a great
things and anything within his sight of vision probably as many a
sixty times.
I continued my search for the marine plane for another
twenty minutes and while searching for this marine plane, wh
observed kept going through my mind. I became more distur
taking & last look at Tieton Reservoir I headed for Yaki
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I might add that my complete observation of these objects, which I
could even follow by their flashes as they passed Mt. Adams, was around two
and one-half or three minutes -- although, by the time they reached Mt. Adams
they were out of my range of vision as far as determining shape or form. Of
course, when the sun reflected from one or two or three of these units, they
appeared to be completely round; but, I am kaing a drawing to the best of my
ability, which I am including, as to the shape I observed these objects to be
as they passed the snow covered ridges as well as Mt. Rainier.
When these objects were flying approximately straight and level, they
were just a black thin line and when they flipped was the only time I could
get a judgment as to their size.
These objects were holding an almost constant elevation; they did not
seem to be going up or to be coming down, such as would be the case of rockets
or artillery shells. I am convinced in my own mind that they were some type
of airplane, even though they didn't conform with the many aspects of the
conventional type of planes that I know.
Although these objects have been reported by many other observers
throughout the United States, there have been six or seven other accounts
written by some of these observers that I can truthfully say must have ob-
servied the same thing that I did; particularly, the descriptions of the three
Western/Air Lines employees, the gentIeman pilot) from Oklahoma City and the locomo-
Cedar City Utah
tive engineer in Illinois, plus Capt Smith and Co-Pilot Stevens of United Air Lines.
Some descriptions could not be very accurate taken from the ground unless
these saucer-like disks were at quite a great height and there is a possiblity
that all of the people who observed peculiar objects could have seen the same
thing I did; but, it would have been very difficult from the ground to observe
these for more than four or five seconds, and there is always the possibility
of atmospheric moisture and dust near the ground which could distort one's vision.
I have in my possession letters from all over the United States and people
who profess that these objects have been observed over other portions of the
world, principally Sweden, Bermuda, and California.
I would have given almost anything that day to have had a movie
camera with a telephoto lens and from now on I will never be without one - -
but, to continue further with my story. When I landed at the Yakima, Wash.
airport I described what I had seen to my very good friend, Al Baxter, who
listened patiently and was very courteous but in a joking way didn't believe me.
I did not accurately measure the distance, be these two mountains
until I landed at Pendleton, Oregon, that same day where I told a number of
pilot friends of mine what I had observed and they did not scoff or laugh but
suggested they might be guided missiles or something new. In fact several
former Army pilots informed me that they had been briefed before going into
combat overseas that they might see objects of similar shape and design as I
described and assured me that I wasn't dreaming or going crazy.
I quote Sonny Robinson, a former Army Air Forces pilot who is now opera-
ting dusting operations at Pendleton, Oregon, "What you observed, I am con-
vinced, is some type of jet or rocket propelled ship that is in the process
of being tested by our government or even it could possibly be by some foreign
government.
Anyhow, the news that I had observed these spread very rapidly and
before night was over I was receiving telephone calls from all parts of
the world; and, to date I have not received one telephone call or one letter
of scoffing or disbelief. The only disbelief that I know of was what was
printed in the papers.
I look at this whole ordeal as not something funny as some people have
made it out to be. To me it is mighty serious and since I evidently did
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observe something that at least Mr. John Doe on the street corner or Pete
Andrews on the ranch has never heard about, is no reason that it does not
exist. Even though I openly invited an investigation by the Army and the
FBI as to the authenticity of my story or a mental or a physical examination
as to my capabilities, I have received no interest from these two important
protective forces of our country; I will go so far as to assume that any
report I gave to the United and Associated Press and over the radio on two
different occasions which apparently set the nation buzzing, if our Military
Intelligence was not aware of what I observed, they would be the very first
people that I could expect as visitors.
I have received lots of requests from people who told me to make a lot
of wild guesses. I have based what I have written here in this article on
positive facts and as far as guessing what it was I observed, it is just as
much a mystery to me as it is to the rest of the world.
My pilot's license is 333487. I fly a Callair airplane; it is a three-
place single engine land ship that is designed and manufactured at Afton,
Wyoming as an extremely high performance, high altitude airplane that was
made for mountain work. The national certificate of my plane is 33355.
/s/ Kenneth Arnold
Box 587
Boise, Idaho
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They seemed longer than wide, their
thickness was about 1/20th of their width
side view
Mirror Bright
They did not appear to me to whirl or spin but seemed in fixed position,
traveling as I have made drawing.
/s/ Kenneth Arnold
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:
1. On 12 July 1947, a call was made at the newspaper office of
the "Idaho Daily Statesman", Boise, Idaho. The aviation editor of the
paper, Mr. David N. Johnson, was interviewed in regard to how well he
knew Mr. Kenneth Arnold of Boise, Idaho, and as to the credibility of
any statement made by Mr. Arnold. The purpose of this interview was an
attempt to verify statements made by Mr. Kenneth Arnold on 26 June 1947,
to various national news services to the effect that he, Mr. Arnold,
had seen 9 objects flying in the air above the Cascade Mountain Range
of Washington. These objects were subsequently referred to as flying
saucers or flying disks and will here-in-after be referred to as such
in this report. Mr. Johnson stated that he had known Mr. Arnold for
quite a period of time, having had relations with Mr. Arnold on various
occasions, due to the fact that both he, Mr. Johnson, and Mr. Arnold
were private fliers and frequently got together to talk shop. Mr. Johnson
stated that as far as he was concerned anything Mr. Arnold said could be
taken very seriously and that he, Mr. Johnson, actually believed that Mr.
Arnold had seen the aforementioned flying disks. Mr. Johnson stated that
after Mr. Arnold reported having seen the flying disks, that the editor
of the paper had assigned him, Mr. Johnson, the assignment of taking the
airplane belonging to the newspaper and exhausting all efforts to prove
or disprove the probability of flying disks having been seen in the
northwest area. The results of this assignment to Mr. Johnson and what
he subsequently saw is put forth in a sworn statement signed by Mr. Johnson
attached to this report as Exhibit B.
AGENT'S NOTES: Mr. Johnson is a man of approximately 33 to 35 years of
age. From all appearances he is a very reserved type of person. Mr.
Johnson has logged 2800 hours of flying time in various types of airplanes
up to and including multi-engine aircraft. During part of the war years,
Mr. Johnson was the first pilot of a B-29 type aircraft being assigned to
the Twentieth USAAF and stationed on Tinian Island, in the Pacific. It
is the personal opinion of the interviewer that Mr. Johnson actually saw
what he states that he saw in the attached report. It is also the opinion
of the interviewer that Mr. Johnson would have much more to lose than gain
and would have to be very strongly convinced that he actually saw something
before he would report such an incident and open himself for the ridicale
that would accompany such a report.
1 Incl: Exhibit "B"
FRANK M. BROWN, S/A, CIC 4th AF
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at Boise, Idaho, July 12, 1947
To Whom It May Concern:
On the sixth day of July, 1947, I received from James L. Brown,
general manager of the Statesman Newspapers, incorporated in Idaho as
The Statesman Printing company, an assignment which was in substance:
"Conduct an aerial search of the northwest states in an effort to
see and photograph a flying disc. Conduct this patrol for so long a time
as you believe reasonable, or until you see a flying disc."
In accordance to these instructions, I took the Statesman's airplane,
and with Kenneth Arnold as passenger, flew a seven and one-half hour mission
on the seventh day of July, 1947. This mission was without result. It
covered an area embracing the confines of the Hanford plant in Washington,
and territory between and around Mt. Rainier and Mt. Adams, where Arnold
first reported seeing objects henceforth described as saucers or discs.
On the eighth day of July, 1947, I took an AT-6 of the 190th Fighter
squadron, Idaho National Guard, of which I am a member, and flew to northern
Idaho, into northwestern Montana briefly, to Spokane, Washington, and back
to Boise by way of Walla Walla, Washington, and Pendleton, Oregon. This
search also was negative.
On the ninth day of July, 1947, I continued the search, again using a
national guard AT-6, this time centering my efforts over the Owyhee mountains
west and southwest of Boise, a portion of the Mountain Home desert on a track
southesst of the Mountain Home army air base, thence into the Sawtooth moun-
tains, and back in the general direction of Boise on a line carrying me well
to the north of the Shafer butte forest service lookout station, into the
Horseshoe Bend area, and thence back in a southwesterly direction to a point
between Boise and the village of Meridian, west of Boise a few miles.
During this search, which lasted approximately two and one-half
hours, I flew under and around rapidly forming cumulus clouds over that
area known as the Camas Prairie, east of Boise. The clouds were near the
village of Fairfield in that valley, and Fairfield is 75 miles airline
distance east of Boise. At that time I saw nothing in the vicinity of
these clouds.
At the time I reached the point between Boise and Meridian, I was
flying at an altitude of 14,000 feet mean sea level, which would be a mean
average of 11,000 feet above the earth in this area, not considering errors
in the altimeter induced either by barometric changes since my takeoff, or
by the temperature at that altitude.
I turned the aircraft on an easterly heading, pointing toward Gowen
Field, and had flown on that course for perhaps a minute when there suddenly
appeared in the left hand portion of my field of vision an object which was
black and round.
I immediately centered my gaze on the object. At that time, due to its
erratic movement, I thought I was seeing a weather balloon. I called the
CAA's communication station at Boise, and asked if the weather station had
recently released a balloon. The reply from communicator Albertson was that
the bureau had not. I do not remember his exact words; I am under the
impression he said "not for several hours" or gave me the exact time of the
previous release, which was around 08:30 that day.
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Upon hearing this response, I turned the aircraft broadside
to the object, pulled back the plexiglass covering to avoid any
distortion, took my camera from the map case, and exposed about 10
seconds' duration of eight millimeter motion picture film. During
the time the camera was at eye level, I could not see the object be-
cause of minuteness of scope introduced by the optical view finder
with which the camera, an f.l.9 Eastman, was equipped.
Taking the camera away and once again centering my gaze on the
object, I observed it to roll so that its edge was presented to me.
At this time it flashed once in the sunlight. It then appeared as a
thin black line. It then performed a maneuver which looked as if it
had begun a slow roll, or a barrel roll, which instead of being com-
pleted, was broken off at about the 180-degree point. The object
rolled out of the top of the maneuver at this point, and I lost sight
of it.
This entire performance was observed against the background of
clouds previously forming over the Camas Prairie. The object appeared
to me, relatively, as the size of a twenty-five cent piece. I do not
know how far away it was. I do not know, nor can I truthfully estimate
its speed. I can only say it was not an airplane, and if it was at a
very great distance from me, its speed was great, taking into consider-
ation that apparent speed is reduced to the viewer if an object is a
very great distance away.
I forgot to look at my clock to determine the exact time I saw
the object. The CAA's log of radio contacts shows my first contact
to have been made at 12:17 hours. But a few seconds elapsed between
the time I first saw the object, and the time called the CAA's station.
I subsequently related over the radio a description of what I
saw, and communicator Albertson may remember it. The control tower may
have a recording of the conversation. I have not checked to determine.
The purpose of my relating over the air what I saw was to enable
rapid transmission of the report to the newspaper, for at that time I
was on assignment and my energies thenceforth were devoted to (1) trans-
mitting the information and (2) conducting a further search, which I
did after landing for fuel and to make some telephone calls.
The next search, begun within half an hour after landing from the
first one, consumed another two hours, but was negative. I explored
thoroughly the region where I saw the object.
Immediately after sighting the object, I asked if there were other
aircraft in the area. There was a P-51 of the 190th squadron practic-
ing maneuvers in the vicinity of Kuna, but that was behind me. A C-82
passed over Boise, but I saw that aircraft go beneath me by some 2,000
feet. The P-51 in the vicinity of Kuna proceeded to the area where I
saw the object, at my request, and conducted a search. It was negative.
During the afternoon, flights of P-51s were sent out to cover the area,
and some of them flew high altitude missions on oxygen. These searches
were negative.
I was subsequently informed that personnel on both the United Air
Lines side of Gowen field, and on the national guard side, observed a
glack object maneuvering in front of the same cloud formation, which by
now had grown so that the clouds reached a probable height of 19,000 or
20,000 feet from a mean base of 13,500 or 14,000 feet, mean sea le vel.
Three of these men were national guard personnel and I talked to them,
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saw it.
This statement is made voluntarily and freely, in response
to the request of Mr. Brown and Captain Davidson, who called on me
this morning.
/s/ David N. Johnson
Subscribed and sworn to before me, a notary public, this 12th
day of July, 1947.
/s/ Geo. L. Flaherty
Notary public for Ada
county Idaho. My
commission expires Jan 2, 1949.
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Chart to which reference is
made on page six, statement
of David N. Johnson
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This design portrays the movements of the object to
which reference is made in the attached statement. At
all times the object appeared as black. Positions (1), (2)
and (3) show the jerky, rising motion. Position (4) is where
the object rolled, presenting its edge to me. It then
followed the dotted line, rolling over the top of the maneuver
and disappearing at position (5).
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asking them to describe what they saw, before telling them my story,
in order to avoid suggestion or inference of a leading nature. They
saw the object (from the ground) while I was on my second search.
They believed the time to have been 14:00 hours. The object performed
in the same erratic manner, they said, as I observed.
The above is the extent of the story, and information concerning
myself is now in order.
I have approximately 2800 hours of flying time in equipment
ranging from primary trainers to B-29s. Of course, that does not in-
crease my powers of observation except as to those practiced daily by
an airman. It does not make my eyesight any sharper except again as
to the incidental demands upon the eyes of a pilot.
At the time of the experience related above, I had flown four-
teen and one-half hours on an assignment to find a disc and if possible,
to photograph it. In all frankness, I was tired. I may have been
suffering, although slightly, from want of oxygen.
Prior to sighting the object, I had concluded there was no point
in pressing the search, that I probably would never see the disc-like
objects referred to by Arnold and by Captain Smith of United Air Lines.
At all times during the search, both on that day and the two
preceeding days (particularly when I was with Arnold) I had literally
talked to myself to keep beating into my head that I would not fall
victim to the power of suggestion or self-hypnosis arising from a
naturally very intent desire to find a disc and bring success to the
assignment given me.
I therefore do not believe that I was the victim of suggestion
or hypnosis. I am familiar wi th the optical illusion of a fixed object
beginning to move after it is watched a sufficient length of time. I
know what tricks the eyes will play as to moving bodies, and have le arned
of this particularly during night formation flying.
I saw the object appear suddenly. If it had moved in a jerky
fashion (as it did at first) for the full length of time I observed it,
I would not be so strong in saying that I saw something not an aircraft,
not a balloon, and not a corpuscle moving across the retina of either
eye. The maneuver described by the ject when its edge was presented
to me convinces me that I saw an object actually performing in an
erratic flight path.
The question remains, of course, whether I saw it. The motion
picture film, developed and processed by R. W. Stohr in the Eastman
laboratories at 241 Battery Street, San Francisco, showed no trace of
any object. Stohr says that if it was more than a mile distant from me
at the size I described, the object would not have registered suffic-
iently on the film to be shown. He said it probably was too far away
to be apparent even through great enlargement of thennegative, and
enlargement in that case is limited because of the size of the film
and the fact I did not have any telescopic equipment on the lens. The
exposure was f.16, stop set at infinity, at a speed of 16 frames per
second.
I have worried over this matter a great deal since seeing it.
I "took myself aside" and said, "come now, Johnson, don't be stupid
But I cannot bring myself to the point of thinking I did not see a
thing. The impression of the moment was too vivid, too realisti
I knew in the air when I saw that partial slow roll or barrel
that I was not a victim of illusion.
I trust this matter will be of help to those investigatin
flying disc phenomena which have been reported.
A chart is attached depicting the movements of the obje
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4AF 1208 I
16 July 1947
MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:
1. On 12 July 1947, Captain Smith, of the United Airlines, was
interviewed at the Boise Municipal Airport, Boise, Idaho. Captain
Smith was passing through Boise on a schedule flight at the time and had
a 20 minute stop-over. Captain Smith reiterated the statements originally
made by him to the press as to what he had seen in the late evening of July
4th, when 8 minutes out of Boise on the route to Seattle, Washington. It
is the opinion of the interviewer that due to the position Captain Smith
occupies, that he, Captain Smith, would have to be very strongly convinced
that he actually saw flying disks before he would open himself for the rid-
icule attached to a report of this type.
FRANK M. BROWN,S/A, CIC 4TH AF
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4AF 1208 I
14 July 1947
MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:
1. On 10 July 1947, a chech was made at the following locations
in Palm Springs, California for the purpose of trying to locate Mr.
Richard Rankin: Palm Springs Police Department, Palm Springs Newspaper,
"The Desert Sun", Palm Springs Water Company, Southern California Gas
Company, Palm Springs Telephone Company, Palm Springs Employment Office,
Palm Springs Chamber of Commerce, Royal Palms Hotel, 5 Palm Springs real
estate offices, and the City Offices of Palm Springs including waste
disposal, water rights, tax records and etc. No record of Mr. Rankin
existed in any of the above mentioned offices.
2. On 11 July 1947, Mr. Ryland M. Gorham, Postmaster of Palm Springs,
California for the past 14 years was interviewed. Mr. Gorham stated that
he had lived in Palm Springs for the past 24 years and that he was unaware
if a person named Richard Rankin had ever lived in Palm Springs. Mr.
Gorham stated that due to the fact that Palm Springs is a resort area and
due to the fact that in the summer months only 3 to 5 thousand people resided
in Palm Springs, whereas in the winter months 10 to 12 thousand resided in
Palm Springs, it was very possible that Mr. Rankin could have lived in
Palm Springs more or less on a non-permanent status and he, Mr. Gorham, not
being aware of it.
A check of General Delivery records revealed a letter addressed to
Mr. Richard Rankin, Palm Springs, mailed from Cicero, Indiana, postmarked
at Cicero, Indiana, July 1947, at 5 P.M. The return address on the
envelope was listed as the Gospel Tract Worker, Route 1, Cicero, Indiana.
Mr. Gorham permitted the contents of the envelope to be examined inasmuch
as the contents was 3rd Class material and the envelope not sealed. The
records were of a religious nature concerning the sad plight of American
non-church goers, the second coming of Christ and etc. Superintendent of
Mails was contacted by Mr. Gorham and stated that there was a Mr. Richard
Rankin who had received mail through the general delivery office of the
Palm Springs Post Office, but that the last mail, other than the letter
mentioned above, came through the Post Office approximately two years ago.
The Superintendent of Mails seemed to have a very uncanny memory and recalled
where the mail coming in for Rankin had been addressed to. This mail was
addressed to Mr. Richard Rankin in care of a trailer camp located in Palm
Springs. On calling the trailer camp office, it was found that Mr. Richard
Rankin had lived in the camp but departed approximately two years ago and
left no forwarding address. Investigation is continuing in an effort to
locate Mr. Rankin and obtain a statement from him.
FRANK M. BROWN,S/A, CIC 4th AF
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On 15 July 1947, S/Sgt Edward R. Baker, ASN RA 39576378, 467th
AAF BU (ORD), Squadron A, Hamilton Field, California, was interviewed
and stated as follows: S/Sgt Baker has been in the Army ten years and
two months, twenty-six months overseas duty in the ETO, and has been in
the Air Corps for about ten months. S/Sgt Baker stated that on 8 July
1947, he was going to Base Cleaners from his office and was passing
along the sidewalk near the barracks of the ORD when he saw five or six
men pointing toward the sky, but as he was use to this around an Army
Air Base, he paid no further attention to it until a lieutenant and a
captain ahead of him stopped and pointed in the same direction. He
stated that on glancing up he saw three objects traveling northeast
across the sky. Two seemed to be traveling faster than an ordinary
flight of P-80s and he estimated the altitude between 8-10,000 feet
and approximately 7-10 miles away. S/Sgt Baker stated that the two
objects in the lead appeared to be round and of a very light gray color,
while the object in the rear seemed to be either rotating or rolling
behind the other two. S/Sgt Baker stated that from a distance he could
not tell exactly the shape of the one which was rolling as it appeared
to be turning over and he couldn't tell whether the object was flat.
The only means he had of identifying it was the fact that it seemed to
get brighter and darker as it appeared to roll. The objects were in
sight approximately four seconds. As he was in a hurry, he did not stop
to talk to the other men but he heard one of them remark that the one in
the rear was certainly rolling fast. S/Sgt Baker was unable to identify
any of the other men in the group who were reported to have seen the
object. Baker stated that it was unlike anything he had ever seen and
that he has been trying to convince himself that it was an optical
illusion, and yet at the same time he is certain that he saw the objects
as described. (See Exhibit I).
NOTE: S/Sgt Baker appears to be intelligent and is a reserved sort of
person. He was very reluctant to discuss the subject at first and
appeared hesitant prompted by the possibility that he might be ridiculed.
He seemed to be honest and sincere in what he stated he saw, and said
frankly he was puzzled over the matter. A signed statement by S/Sgt
Baker is attached.
1 Incl:
Exhibit I.
WILLIAM L. DAVIDSON, Capt, AC, OIC CI, 4AF
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FORM NO. 64
Office Memorandum
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
65-481
TO
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DATE:
September 2, 1947
FROM :
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SUBJECT:
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Remytel August 20, 1947.
With reference to the above-described teletype, Mr. H. H. HEDSTROM,
322 Third Avenue North, Twin Falls, Idaho, was the principal source of infor-
mation. Mr. HEDSTROM, who is the Executive Director of the Twin Falls Housing
Authority, explained that he and his wife and Mrs. HENRY SHULTZ, a neighbor, were
sitting on their front porch at approximately 9:30 P. M., August 19, 1947. He
said that Mrs. HEDSTROM suddenly shouted and pointed to the sky and thereafter
stated that she had seen an object traveling at a terrific rate of speed in a
northeasterly direction. The object was out of sight before Mr. HEDSTROM and
Mrs. SHULTZ could see anything.
While they were discussing what Mrs. HEDSTROM had seen, approximately
ten minutes later all three saw ten similar objects proceeding rapidly in the
same direction in the form of a triangle. As the group of objects was dis-
appearing, three of the objects on the left flank peeled off and proceeded in
a more northerly direction. The remaining objects appeared to close ranks and
proceeded in a northeasterly direction.
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From three to five minutes later these same individuals saw another
group of three objects proceeding in the same direction, and again in the shape
of a triangle. From three to five minutes later all three observed another
group in a triangular formation consisting of five or six objects. They were
proceeding in the same direction.
A few minutes later the three persons saw a large group of objects
estimated at from thirty-five to fifty flying in a triangular formation in the
same direction. Approximately twenty or twenty-five minutes after the large
group of objects was observed, similar objects were noted coming back over the
city in a southwesterly direction. These objects were generally in groups of
three, five and seven and followed each other at approximately five minute inter-
vals.
Mrs. HEDSTROM called Detective RICHARD A. FRAZIER of the Twin Falls
Police Department, a next door neighbor, who was then accompanied by M. E.
ROUNTREE and RICHARD SCOTT, also members of the Twin Falls Police Department.
The three officers watched for a few minutes and observed a group of about
twelve objects flying in formation over the city in a southwesterly direction.
The members of the Police Department did not continue watching, although Mr.
FRAZIER later saw other groups, which were also seen by the HEDSTROMs and Mrs.
SHULTZ. Mrs. SHULTZ had also called her husband, who saw some/cof the objects.
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On the night in question the sky was overcast and the objects could
not be seen closely; however, they were distinct enough so that all persons
could observe what they described as a glow going through the air. They said
that the objects appeared to be lighted from the inside and were of a color
similar to regular electric lights.
Detective FRAZIER and Mr. HEDSTROM both stated that they could not
be meteors or comets, that they flew on a level line and did not appear to
drop. They flew at a terrific rate of speed and were visible for only a few
minutes at a time. Both persons interviewed said that the objects could not
have been geese or ducks and that the lights were not a reflection of the city
lights on some object or objects.
None of the persons interviewed noticed any flames or anything except
the glow of lights. None of the persons who claimed to have seen these objects
were drinking at the time. No other persons in Twin Falls reported seeing the
objects mentioned herein; however, Mr. HEDSTROM and Mr. FRAZIER stated that it
was purely by accident that they had seen the objects and that they would not have
seen them unless they were looking for them, because of the speed at which they
traveled. On account of the overcast sky they were unable to estimate the size
of the objects or the height at which they flew.
No further investigation is being conducted by the Butte Office, and
the case is being closed.
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UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
TO
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Director, FBI
THE
DATE: September 4, 1947
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FROM :
SAC, San Francisco
AIRMAIL
SPECIAL DELIVERY
SUBJECT:
REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS
Enclosed is a copy of a letter dated August 28, 1947,
from Lt. Col. DONALD L. SPRINGER of A-2, Hamilton Field, Calif.,
with an attachment referring to the sighting of a flying object
by Captain JACK PECK and his co-pilot, VINCE DALY, near Bethel,
Alaska.
Photostatic copies of this letter and attachment are
being forwarded to the Anchorage Field Office. In accordance
with Bureau Bulletin #42, dated July 30, 1947, Anchorage is
requested to interview Captain JACK PECK and his co-pilot, VINCE
DALY, preferably separately, in order to obtain all details of
their reported sighting of a flying object on August 4, 1947.
The San Francisco Field Office should be furnished two copies
of the results of these interviews for distribution to the Sixth
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